PreOly Worlds and the Olympics query | Golden Skate

PreOly Worlds and the Olympics query

Joined
Jul 11, 2003
The 2005 Worlds is the PreOly Worlds.

Does anyone have the stats on this?

1. Who won the PreOly Worlds and the Olympics? - when and who

2. Who won the PreOly Worlds and lost the Olympics? - when and who

3. Who lost the PreOly Worlds and won the Olympics? - when and who.

Names and dates would be most appreciate. (I could probably look all this up myself but I am lazy and I suspect there are fans of GS who could rattle these off quite easyily._

Thanks - Joe
 
Joined
Jul 11, 2003
All I remember is that MK won the 97 Worlds and Tara won the 98 Olys. I think it was Elvis at the 97 Worlds and Kulic at the 98 Iktnoucs, but just guessing.

All the other disciplines I am totally foggy for that particular season.

Can not remember anything about the the 95/96 season or the 92/93 seasib and many years gone bbefore them.

Joe
 

skater85

Rinkside
Joined
Mar 5, 2004
I think before Salt Lake there was a definit pattern to the pre-oly worlds and winning the following olympics. I think in all events except ladies it was considered a bad omen to win the pre-oly worlds. I think it was a very higher percentage of ladies that won worlds the year before they won the olympics. Of course Sarah disproved this theory by winning in Salt Lake after finishing third in Vancouver :p

Plushenko lost in SLC after winning in 2001.
F-P/M lost in SLC after winning in 2001.
Kwan lost in SLC after winning in 2001.

Baiul won in 94 after winning worlds in 93.
Browning lost in 94 after winning in 93.
U/Z lost in 94 after winning in 93.
B/E lost in 94 after winning in 93 ( although there were returning pros)

I will be back with more later, I have class to go to :p!
 

hrmsk8ngnutt

Final Flight
Joined
Jul 29, 2003
Ladies First

OK, Joe. I'll start from 2001/2002 and go back to 1955/1956:

2001 World Champion - Michelle Kwan
2002 Olympic Champion - Sarah Hughes

1997 World Champion, 1998 Olympic Champion - Tara Lipinski

1993 World Champion, 1994 Olympic Champion - Oksana Baiul

1991 World Champion, 1992 Olympic Champion - Kristi Yamaguchi

1987 World Champion, 1988 Olympic Champion - Katarina Witt

1983 World Champion - Rosalyn Sumners
1984 Olympic Champion - Katarina Witt

1979 World Champion - Linda Fratianne
1980 Olympic Champion - Annett Poetsch

1975 World Champion - Dianne DeLeuuw
1976 Olympic Champion - Dorothy Hamill

1971 World Champion, 1972 Olympic Champion - Beatrix Schuba

1967 World Champion, 1968 Olympic Champion - Peggy Fleming

1963 World Champion, 1964 Olympic Champion - Sjouke Dykstra

1959 World Champion, 1960 Olympic Champion - Carol Heiss

1955 World Champion, 1956 Olympic Champion - Tenley Albright

Of the last 13 pre-Olympic year World Champions, 10 went on to win the Olympics the following year. That translate to 77% for the ladies.

Herm (sk8ngnutt)
 

lulu

Final Flight
Joined
Aug 4, 2003
Pairs
2002 Olympics: B&S/S&P
2001 Worlds: S&P

1998 Olympics: K&D
1997 Worlds: W&S

1994 Olympics: G&G
1993 Worlds: B&E

1992 Olympics: M&D
1991 Worlds: M&D

1988 Olympics: G&G
1987 Worlds: G&G

1984 Olympics:V&V
1983 Worlds: V&V

1980 Olympics: R&Z
1979 Worlds: B&G
 

Ptichka

Forum translator
Record Breaker
Joined
Jul 28, 2003
Note: in parenthesis after the name is the "loosing" place when known.
Won the PreOly Worlds and the Olympics
2001/2-Sale & Pelletier
1997/8-Lipinksi
1997/8-Gretchuk & Platov
1993/4-Baiul
1991/2-Yamaguchi
1991/2-Mishkitenok & Dmitriev
1987/8-Witt
1987/8-Gordeeva & Grinkov
1987/8-Bestemianova & Bukin
1983/4-Torville & Dean
1983/4-Valova & Vasiliev
1983/4-Hamilton
1979/80-Linnichuk & Karponosov
1979/80- Rodnina & Zaitsev
Won the PreOly Worlds and lost the Olympics
2001/2-Plushenko (2)
2001/2-Kwan (3)
2001/2-Fusar-Poli & Margaglio (3)
1997/8-Stojko (2)
1997/8-Woetzel & Steur (3)
1993/4-Browning (5)
1993/4-Braseur & Eisler (3) note: '94 Olympic Winners, G&G, did not participate in '93 World
1993/4-Usova & Zhulin (2)
1991/2-Browning
1991/2-Duchesnay & Duchesnay (2)
1987/8-Orser (2)
1983/4-Sumners (2)
1979/80- Fratianne (2)
1979/80- Kovalev (>3)
1979/80- Babilonia & Gardner
1975/6 - Moiseeva & Minnekov (2)
1975/6-Volkov
1975/6- DeLeeuw
Lost the PreOly Worlds and won the Olympics?
2001/2-Yagudin (2)
2001/2-Hughes (3)
2001/2-Anissina & Peizerat (2)
1997/8-Kulik (5th)
1997/8-Kazakova & Dmitriev (3)
1993/4-Urmanov(3)
1993/4-Gretchuk & Platov (2)
1991/2-Petrenko
1991/2-Klimova & Ponomarenko (2)
1987/8-Boitano
1979/80- Pötzsch
1979/80- Cousins
1979/80- Rodnina & Zaitsev
1975/6 – Pachomova & Gorshkov
1975/6-Curry
1975/6- Hamill
 

gkelly

Record Breaker
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1979/80- Kovalev (>3)

Withdrew from 1980 Olympics.

1979/80- Rodnina & Zaitsev
1975/6 – Pachomova & Gorshkov

Did not participate in 1979 Worlds (pregnancy, as noted by a previous poster) and 1975 Worlds (illness), respectively.
 

berthes ghost

Final Flight
Joined
Jul 30, 2003
Some older stuff:

1923W Gillis Graftstrom didn't compete, Fritz Kachler won
1924O Gillis Braftstrom won, Fritz Kachler ?

1927W Gillis Graftstrom didn't compete, Willy Boeckl won
1928O Gillis Braftstrom won, Willy Boeckly silver

1931W Gillis Graftstrom didn't compete, Karl Schafer won
1932O Karl Schafer won, Gillis Gratfstrom silver

1947W Dick Button Silver, Hans Gerschwiler won
1948O Dick Button won, Hans Gerschwiler Silver

1963W Donald McPherson won, Manfred Schnelldorfer bronze
1964O Manfred Schnelldorfer won, Donald McPherson had turned professional

1967W Emmerich Danzer won, Wolfgang Schwartz silver
1968O Wolfgang Schwartz won, Emmerich Danzer 4th

1923W the Jackobsons won, Engelmann&Berger ?
1924 O Engelmann&Berger won, the Jackobsons silver

1927W Szabo&Wrede won, the Brunetes out due to pregnancy
1928O the Brunets won, Wrede bronze with Brunner

1931W Rotter&Szollas won, the Brunetes again didn't compete
1932O the Brunets won, Rotter&Szollas bronze

1955W Dafoe&Bowden won, Schwarz&Oppelt silver
1956O Schwarz&Oppelt won, Dafoe&Bowden silver

1963W Kilius&Baumler won, the Protopopovs silver
1964O the Protopopovs won, Kilius&Baumler silver

1975W Dancers Moiseeva&Minenov won, Pakhoma&Gorshkov took year off
1976O Pakhoma&Gorshkov won, Moiseeva&Minenov silver
 

heyang

Record Breaker
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Jul 26, 2003
I think one of the stats quoted prior to 98 Oly's was that US National ladies champion won Oly's when US got gold - meaning the US Silver medalist never beat the US Gold medalist for the Oly Gold. Unfortunately, that streak came to an end between MK & TL.
 
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In fact, Heyang, I read that in the good old days it was considered a slap in the face of a national skating federation if an international judging panel went against the ranking by the national federation.

Mathman
 
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Joined
Jul 11, 2003
Mathman - It seems from the lists I've been reading that there is a 70% probability that a skater or team who win the PreOly Worlds will go on to win the Olympics.

Am I correct?

Joe
 
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