2014 Worlds Junior Ladies - Free Skate

Mirunna · Mar 16, 2014

elif said:
Just noticed Medvedeva got higher PCS than Sakhanovitch and Miyahara

Since Medvedeva fell the judges had to make sure they give her the best chances to stay on the podium. Miyahara was once again massively underscored and roobed of a medal. I had a hope post Sochi the over-scoring of the Russians will stop. It's good to know what to expect for Worlds in Japan

sky_fly20 · Mar 16, 2014

Miyahara's jumps are tiny and probably underrotated half of it
PCS is too low though

luckyguy · Mar 16, 2014

yuki said:
Can I join you?
Evgenia's PCS being 1 point higher than Satoko's (and with higher SS) is ridiculous.

Yes, Medevedeva´s skating skills are without doubt better in comparison with Miyahara.

yuki · Mar 16, 2014

luckyguy said:
Yes, Medevedeva´s skating skills are without doubt better in comparison with Miyahara.

Care to elaborate? I'm genuinely curious.

Mirunna · Mar 16, 2014

sky_fly20 said:
Miyahara's jumps are tiny and probably underrotated half of it
PCS is too low though

Especially compared to what Medvedeva got.
Congrats to Elena for defending her title in a very convincing way!

sinless69uk · Mar 16, 2014

I think I have heard this anthem before somewhere.

sky_fly20 · Mar 16, 2014

luckyguy said:
Yes, Medevedeva´s skating skills are without doubt better in comparison with Miyahara.

molasses like skating skills

sky_fly20 · Mar 16, 2014

Mirunna said:
Especially compared to what Medvedeva got.
Congrats to Elena for defending her title in a very convincing way!

Miyahara deserved the 2nd highest PCS
but her TES was too generous, I could see half of her jumps were borderline or underrotated

jace93 · Mar 16, 2014

sky_fly20 said:
Miyahara deserved the 2nd highest PCS
but her TES was too generous, I could see half of her jumps were borderline or underrotated

for once I agree with you... an if she lost her medal because of her jump issues <i would understand it... but like this...

anyway they gave her both the lutzes as underrotated so the tech is fair

luckyguy · Mar 16, 2014

yuki said:
Care to elaborate? I'm genuinely curious.

ISU-Explanations of skating skills:

Skating Skills
Definition: Over all skating quality: edge control and flow over the ice surface demonstrated by a
command of the skating vocabulary (edges, steps, turns, etc), the clarity of technique, and the use of
effortless power to accelerate and vary speed.
Criteria:
Balance, rhythmic knee action, and precision of foot placement
Flow and effortless glide
Rhythm, strength, clean strokes, and an efficient use of lean create a steady run to the
blade and an ease of transfer of weight resulting in seemingly effortless power and
acceleration.
Cleanness and sureness of deep edges, steps, and turns
The skater should demonstrate clean and controlled curves, deep edges, and steps.
Varied use of power/energy, speed, and acceleration
Variety is the gradation – some of which may be subtle
Multi directional skating
Includes all direction of skating: forward and backward, clockwise and
counterclockwise including rotation in both directions.
Mastery of one foot skating
No over use of skating on two feet.

Can you tell me what can Miyahara better than Medvedeva?

Jammers · Mar 16, 2014

American girls 8, 9, and 14? Really embarrassing for what we've done in the last 6,7 years.

yuki · Mar 16, 2014

luckyguy said:
ISU-Explanations of skating skills:

Can you tell me what can Miyahara better than Medvedeva?

I am not qualified to do an in-depth analysis like some members of this forum are, but a couple of things I did notice are: Satoko has deeper edges, better control, better rhythm and flow, does fewer crossovers to build speed.

Your turn now.

What makes Evgenia's SS undoubtedly better than Satoko's?

coolboogie22 · Mar 16, 2014

How many spot for Junior Grand Prix Canada wins with Larkyn and Alaine skate!

Mrs. P · Mar 16, 2014

Jammers said:
American girls 8, 9, and 14? Really embarrassing for what we've done in the last 6,7 years.

All three girls were in their first year in juniors and Karen clearly suffered from injuries. Give them time. Better they get the experience now.

AlexRus · Mar 16, 2014

Satoko's problem - tiny jumps, often URed or almost URed.

Results of Junior Ladies.

Next JrWorlds:
3 spots - Russia, Japan (Satoko and Rika made it! Past season they lost three spots, this season restored)
2 spots - Canada, Korea, USA, Germany.

Next JGP:
14 spots - Russia, Japan, Canada.
7 spots (and extra spots may be) - Korea, USA, Kazakstan.
6 spots - Germany, Finland, France, Ukraine.
Because Kazakstan and may be some other above-mentioned federations will not use all their spots - Korea and may be USA will have extra spots.

Situation with JGP Events will not be simple for USA.
Maybe it would be better to give Polina Edmunds chance to JrWorlds medal. She deserves this chance, and results of Team USA would be better.

AlexRus · Mar 16, 2014

Mrs. P said:
All three girls were in their first year in juniors and Karen clearly suffered from injuries. Give them time. Better they get the experience now.

Hmmm... Sotnilkova & Tuktamysheva at 2011, Lipnitskaia at 2012, Radionova & Pogorilaya at 2013, Sakhanovich & Medvedeva at 2014 (and Sotskova & Proklova would be not worse) - they all had their first International Junior season.

Who did not USA send Polina Edmunds? Karen Chen really suffered from injuries, Polina (also in first International Junior Season) is the only who could have real chance to medal (except Gracie who is also age eligible for JrWorlds, but we all understand that JrWorlds is not a competiion for No1 of Senior Team).

Alba · Mar 16, 2014

I missed the girls today. Any video around?

jaylee · Mar 16, 2014

AlexRus said:
Hmmm... Sotnilkova & Tuktamysheva at 2011, Lipnitskaia at 2012, Radionova & Pogorilaya at 2013, Sakhanovich & Medvedeva at 2014 (and Sotskova & Proklova would be not worse) - they all had their first International Junior season.

Who did not USA send Polina Edmunds? Karen Chen really suffered from injuries, Polina (also in first International Junior Season) is the only who could have real chance to medal (except Gracie who is also age eligible for JrWorlds, but we all understand that JrWorlds is not a competiion for No1 of Senior Team).

They probably thought it was weird to send someone who went to the Olympics to junior worlds.

But I agree with you, I think sending Polina Edmunds to Junior Worlds would've resulted in a likely medal for Polina, whereas she's not likely going to be one of the top 2 US ladies at Worlds. They probably should've sent Mirai Nagasu to senior Worlds, as they rewarded other top finishers who didn't go to the Olympics (Coughlin/Denney, Max Aaron).

yuki · Mar 16, 2014

Alba said:
I missed the girls today. Any video around?

http://www.youtube.com/user/tanyasuhorukova/videos?sort=dd&shelf_id=1&view=0

(via sky_fly20 in the Videos thread)

sky_fly20 · Mar 16, 2014

jaylee said:
They probably thought it was weird to send someone who went to the Olympics to junior worlds.

But I agree with you, I think sending Polina Edmunds to Junior Worlds would've resulted in a likely medal for Polina, whereas she's not likely going to be one of the top 2 US ladies at Worlds.

Polina definitely should have skated here
would have won silver at best

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