South Korean federation's complaint to the ISU about judging

Sam-Skwantch · Apr 24, 2014

^ +1

We don't agree on a few things..yet I feel like we get along just fine. It's appreciated!!

skatedreamer · Apr 24, 2014

Sam-Skwantch said:
^ +1

We don't agree on a few things..yet I feel like we get along just fine. It's appreciated!!

:agree: Right backatcha, S-S!

Alba · Apr 24, 2014

skatedreamer said:
Yes, of course. My real issue is that the JC thread sometimes deteriorated into a lot of nationalistic bashing and that's what I'd like to avoid in this one. I got nervous after reading an earlier post that seemed to be going in that direction.

I'm with you.

On a more practical note: has the text of the complaint been published anywhere? We've been hearing a lot about what the KSU might have been planning to say, but do we know yet what they actually did say in the document that went to the ISU? This inquiring mind wants to know!

No, the complaint has not been published anywhere so far. Basically we are discussing about nothing. :laugh:

Sam-Skwantch · Apr 24, 2014

Alba said:
No, the complaint has not been published anywhere so far. Basically we are discussing about nothing

At least we can admit it and laugh at ourselves!!

77 pages!!!!!

Meoima · Apr 24, 2014

Alba said:
No, the complaint has not been published anywhere so far. Basically we are discussing about nothing.

Apparently I have come to believe that Russian Fed is clean of the judging controversy, it's only the ISU that wants to show their gratitude towards Putin.
You know, how can a Fed has enough sane and scheme for such controversy agree to the idea of letting Plushy compete for another season?

Still sock from the news on the thread I/K and Plushy fan fest.

Alba · Apr 24, 2014

Meoima said:
Apparently I have come to believe that Russian Fed is clean of the judging controversy, it's only the ISU that wants to show their gratitude towards Putin.

I don't know really. I can hardly belive that any Fed is "clean". Fed's are for politicking as well, it's part of their job.

You know, how can a Fed has enough sane and scheme for such controversy agree to the idea of letting Plushy compete for another season? Still sock from the news on the thread I/K and Plushy fan fest.

I hope it's just a joke. :rolleye:

Meoima · Apr 24, 2014

Alba said:
I don't know really. I can hardly belive that any Fed is "clean". Fed's are for politicking as well, it's part of their job.
I hope it's just a joke.

I mean if they are insane (aka stupid) enough to let Plush compete for the next season, I have to believe that the judging at Sochi was quite clean.

karne · Apr 24, 2014

If Plushy wants to compete, why should the RuFed stop him?

I mean, I'm not for it, I love Plushy but please retire while you can still walk. Maybe he wants to come back and regain his National crown one last time.

Anyway, if Plushy is continuing, then suddenly Gachi leaving Mishin makes more sense.

Meoima · Apr 24, 2014

karne said:
If Plushy wants to compete, why should the RuFed stop him?
I mean, I'm not for it, I love Plushy but please retire while you can still walk. Maybe he wants to come back and regain his National crown one last time.
Anyway, if Plushy is continuing, then suddenly Gachi leaving Mishin makes more sense.

I hope Russian Fed will stop Plushy because I would rather see him healthy for the rest of his life. He still can show his skills at ice shows. It doesn't have to be in competition. People consider him the king, he doesn't have to prove it to anyone.
I mean, Russian Fed must have been crazy!

karne · Apr 24, 2014

Meoima said:
I hope Russian Fed will stop Plushy because I would rather see him healthy for the rest of his life. He still can show his skills at ice shows. It doesn't have to be in competition. People consider him the king, he doesn't have to prove it to anyone.
I mean, Russian Fed must have been crazy!

Do you think they can stop him? They've tried before. It didn't work then, I doubt it would work now.

seabm7 · Apr 24, 2014

skatedreamer said:
On a more practical note: has the text of the complaint been published anywhere? We've been hearing a lot about what the KSU might have been planning to say, but do we know yet what they actually did say in the document that went to the ISU? This inquiring mind wants to know!

No, it hasn't been published. My understanding is that the text is regarded as confidential.

Alba · Apr 24, 2014

Meoima said:
I mean if they are insane (aka stupid) enough to let Plush compete for the next season, I have to believe that the judging at Sochi was quite clean.

Ah ok.

karne said:
Do you think they can stop him? They've tried before. It didn't work then, I doubt it would work now.

Yes they can and they should. Just like they did with Kovtun.

skatedreamer · Apr 24, 2014

Alba said:
No, the complaint has not been published anywhere so far. Basically we are discussing about nothing.

78 pages' worth of posts is a lot of yakking about nothing, isn't it? :biggrin:

Still, there's a long way to go before we match the JC thread -- 270 pages! :eek:

I'd rather be mad about the reason a score was given than at who gave it. It seems easier to adjust the rules than correct human nature.

Much wisdom here...

Mathman · Apr 24, 2014

Longest thread on Golden Skate currently: Yuzuru Hanyu Fan Fest, 338 pages, 5057 posts. :clap:

Alba · Apr 24, 2014

skatedreamer said:
78 pages' worth of posts is a lot of yakking about nothing, isn't it? Still, there's a long way to go before we match the JC thread -- 270 pages!

You see? We can do better here, we're just warming up. :biggrin:

It seems easier to adjust the rules than correct human nature.

Yeah but the rules are made by the humans.

karne · Apr 24, 2014

Alba said:
Yes they can and they should. Just like they did with Kovtun.

Kovtun skating at the Olympics relied on another skater's withdrawal by a deadline - a withdrawal that the other skater, by many accounts, was prepared to make, until such time as he was told Kovtun could not be found. So neither skater at fault.

Plushenko returning for another season does not depend on such a circumstance. They can't stop him.

skatedreamer · Apr 24, 2014

Alba said:
You see? We can do better here, we're just warming up.

Maybe so, but did you see Mathman's post re: the Yuzuru thread? By those standards, we're a bunch of rank amateurs! :slink:

Start typing, everyone! :yay:

pec0 · Apr 24, 2014

Korea has officially filed complaint. It would be appreciated if anyone start new thread specifying the content and documentation of the complaint.

skatedreamer · Apr 24, 2014

pec0 said:
Korea has officially filed complaint. It would be appreciated if anyone start new thread specifying the content and documentation of the complaint.

I asked about that earlier; see Alba's reply @ post #1147. Unfortunately, the complaint hasn't been published anywhere yet.

pec0 · Apr 24, 2014

skatedreamer said:
I asked about that earlier; see Alba's reply @ post #1147. Unfortunately, the complaint hasn't been published anywhere yet.

Thanks.
It was not appropriate but I did not go back to read previous comments before posting that request. It is hard to know what is happening now.

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