Ladies cannot do quads (by rule) in the SP.
Really? What an odd rule!
Ladies cannot do quads (by rule) in the SP.
BTW, there *is* such a thing as jumping too high.
High jumps are much harder to control than low jumps. This is a big deal for combinations, and is why a lot of skaters will jump lower when they're putting a jump in combination than if they're doing it as a solo jump. For a combination you have to be even MORE in control of the landing of the first jump to get the second one off - especially if it's a 3-3 or 4-3 combo.
Being able to control power, speed, effort is important in skating. Things *can* be overcooked.
That is a huge Axel! But I am being evil here. she looked so skinny there. Her current body seems much chubbier, and she has to lose all those weight before she does it again.
Tuktamisheva only needs to skate clean. She doesn't need 3A or 4T.
Are you sure about that? What will distinguish clean Tuktamysheva from Sotnikova, Lipnitskaya, Pogorilaya and Radionova? They will all be eligible the next season. They have the same jumps, and it is five skaters fighting for one of the three spots at Europeans/Worlds. It will come to the point where they need to stand out. Either with extra special presentation (which none of them have at this moment), or with being super consistent (Lipnitskaya this season), or having something technically that the others don't have.
Miki Ando is the only woman with a credited quad (sal). Although she could get some decent-looking landings they were for the most part underrotated. Surya Bonaly attempted the 4T but was way short of rotation. It was kind of funny that she didn't fall on it but started celebrating because she thought it was successful and then fell.
Not being able to control a jump =/= "jumping too high" being a problem. I refer to exhibit A (Midori Ito) and exhibit B (Tonya Harding when she was really trained) when I say that there is no such thing as "jumping too high".
There is such a thing as bad technique. I am not saying this applies to Tuktamysheva, I am saying that it exists and leads to many chronic injuries.
There is also such a thing as trying too hard. This also often leads to an inability to control a jump because you actually put yourself out of optimal position in the air by trying too hard on the takeoff. This will also lead to injury and inconsistency. As my coach often says "just let the blades do the work" when it comes to the jumps we are working on. I suspect Tuktamysheva has been going through this a bit as her body has changed from little girl to young woman in that she's trying to memorize how much effort is required for jumps when you aren't twig sized.
There is also the case of over training. This is what I believe has been the cause of many skaters' chronic injuries. Some coaches are better than others at working with their skaters to avoid over training/over use injuries. Mishin does not appear to be in the "better" category with regards to over training.
While Lipinski's jump technique was no where near as bad as Zhang, she did over torque her loop take offs and adding her "rotate first" technique to over training led to the end of her career. Her jumps were never big, she really relied on fast rotation (although, I will agree her jumps were bigger than Lipnitskaya's).
Tuktamisheva only needs to skate clean. She doesn't need 3A or 4T. Russian federation should stop this because so many girls going to injure themselfs.
I only want to see Adelina's 4T. Because she is already olympic champion and 4T better than retirement. I remember 4S from Ando and Cohen (?!) but I don't remember 4T. If she lands, it is going to be first in ladies, isn't it?
Tuktamisheva's jumps are more GOE friendly than Lipnitskaia and Radionova. Lipnitskaia and Radionova's 2As are low, barely getting GOE, Lipnitskaia have flutz, Radionova doesn't really have three jump combination (only half loop) For example Radionova skated perfect in NHK 2013 (7 triple and everything else level4) and only got 67 TES. So we have Sotnikova, Pogorilaya and Tuktamisheva. They are good, high jumpers. Russia have three spots. If Tuktamisheva wants to be in worlds team, she needs to improve spins and PCS, not jumps. Her jumps (when she lands them) better than Julia/Elena.
Tuktamisheva's jumps are more GOE friendly than Lipnitskaia and Radionova. Lipnitskaia and Radionova's 2As are low, barely getting GOE, Lipnitskaia have flutz, Radionova doesn't really have three jump combination (only half loop) For example Radionova skated perfect in NHK 2013 (7 triple and everything else level4) and only got 67 TES. So we have Sotnikova, Pogorilaya and Tuktamisheva. They are good, high jumpers. Russia have three spots. If Tuktamisheva wants to be in worlds team, she needs to improve spins and PCS, not jumps. Her jumps (when she lands them) better than Julia/Elena.
In any case it's not the jumps that will hurt her moving forward, it's her Skating Skills, Lack of Transitions, and comparatively weak spinning. Welcome the era of +3 GOE spins, Ladies and Gentlemen. They matter, a lot. Losing 4+ points on spins between the SP and FS (compared to the great spinners in the field these days) can be the difference in getting a medal and landing in 6th place.
Across SP/FS skaters like Lipnitskaya, Sotnikova, Radionova can rack up like a 3-4 point advantage over Tuktamysheva just with their spins. 3-4 points may sound like not a lot, it's a sizeable advantage.
2. Lipinski did not overtorque her Triple Loop. Her Loop technique was fantastic and no she didn't need to jump higher because she was a fast rotator. Lipinski did not *rely* on her fast rotations. She worked with it. If she jumped as high as Slutskaya everything she did would have been a Quad. When you rotate that fast you simply do NOT jump higher than you need to to get the Triple around, unless you want to faceplant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVQe8r0LQYE
Look at her Triple Loop Triple Loop. The arms are in front of her when she's pivoting into the take-off and she's riding the edge smoothly into the jump. And she does the same thing after the landing and into the second triple loop. Her technique on that jump was pretty much textbook. Almost everyone positions themselves similarly going into the jump (cause you have to be on the back edge and that is hard to do with a "squared" stance), but what Tara does wasn't even in the same category as what Zhang and some other skaters do to whip that jump around. Tara basically jumps up into the jump and rotates, the entire jump combination looks relaxed. She isn't torqueing into the jump or trying to force the rotations at all. She was a good rotator. The 97 WC Qualifying Combo in that video is probably the most textbook 3Lo3Lo ever done in competition, followed closely by the Nagano combo.
Nothing about her loop jump screams "injury" and in fact she kept doing the loop consistently after she retired. I'd say overtraining had much more to do with her hip issues than her basically flawless loop jump technique. There is no torqueing, at all. (