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Oh, he said so? Do you remember the interview? Thank you in advance.
It was in the OP's link to the award. Here:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/05/13/74798034
In a class of his own: Orser owned 2013-14 season
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It was in the OP's link to the award. Here:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/05/13/74798034
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Thing about TES is that it's relatively cut and dry. I mean there's GOE but Dai's jumps don't get the GOE of the other guys. Add to that the downgrades and there ya go. I think his PCS should have saved him a bit but it's hard to justify a skater having 11th and 12th best TES scores coming 6th. Aaron should have certainly been placed higher than him IMO. I'd rather see a skater artistically inferior at least put a strong technical showing than a safe not so technical FS from an artistic skater. Even Hanyu with a fall is more enjoyable because he goes for the high grade elements and his quality of elements is excellent otherwise.
come on guys.. gotta cut hanyu some slack. if you guys dont think he deserves 90's pcs then i dont think he deserves to be below someone who plays it safe for his programs, someone who flaps his arms and calls it transitions and certainly not to someone who's stiff on the ice (im a fan of them too by the way ). if you think his pcs is inflated then so does EVERYONE okay.. so as the others here say, placement is much more important. so if you think the others deserved their 90's then so does hanyu. you gotta have some mad skills to be able to perform wilson's heavy loaded elemental romeo or juliet program(2 quads, 8 triples, 1double and 1half + some crazy spins here and there) and he actually somewhat delivers at the most opportune time.
). if you think his pcs is inflated then so does EVERYONE okay.. so as the others here say, placement is much more important. so if you think the others deserved their 90's then so does hanyu. you gotta have some mad skills to be able to perform wilson's heavy loaded elemental romeo or juliet program(2 quads, 8 triples, 1double and 1half + some crazy spins here and there) and he actually somewhat delivers at the most opportune time.regarding to the score and judging that some of you guys are complaining here:
to put it in the most simple way, let's consider jumps have 2 steps: 1-rotation and 2-landing. you do 1 but fail 2, you still do 1/2 of the work, you still get point. but if you fail at the first step called 1 then you can't do 2 , what's you do after failed 1 is called anything else but 2, that means you do 0% of your work , of course there's no point for you. just like your boss give you the opportunity and ask you what's your good at, you answer 1 and 2. then he cheerfully give you work related to 1+2, you firmly say you will do your best. the next day you appear and give him your finished work, he open and see pages of document related to 3+4, there's nothing called 1+2 there. he realize that you fail to do your work that you choose for yourself and give him what he don't need. what you expect from him next? rewarding you? of course not. firing you? now that's possible. figure skating is the same. if you choose to do a quad, do that quad properly , don't make it a double or a triple . it may look nicer to eyes but that's cheating. so technically speaking, falling>under rotation or doubling or anything like that.
to put it in the most simple way, let's consider jumps have 2 steps: 1-rotation and 2-landing. you do 1 but fail 2, you still do 1/2 of the work, you still get point. but if you fail at the first step called 1 then you can't do 2 , what's you do after failed 1 is called anything else but 2, that means you do 0% of your work , of course there's no point for you. just like your boss give you the opportunity and ask you what's your good at, you answer 1 and 2. then he cheerfully give you work related to 1+2, you firmly say you will do your best. the next day you appear and give him your finished work, he open and see pages of document related to 3+4, there's nothing called 1+2 there. he realize that you fail to do your work that you choose for yourself and give him what he don't need. what you expect from him next? rewarding you? of course not. firing you? now that's possible. figure skating is the same. if you choose to do a quad, do that quad properly , don't make it a double or a triple . it may look nicer to eyes but that's cheating. so technically speaking, falling>under rotation or doubling or anything like that.
regarding to the inflation, fair scoring is the most ideal. but if not, people in the toptier or top 10 or top 5 or top 3 all got inflation is okay. in the end the ranking won't change. but what's fair scoring? everyone has their bias thoughts and their favorites, they values things different to others and won't fell satisfied with others' decisions. the " fair" is none-existed. there's always some people that has problems with the result. there are rules but people still choose to ignore them and decide in the " i think this should be that and that should be this" way. with the rising technical difficulty, rising PCS score is a must and i see nothing wrong with it. different era different standard. recently with PChan is out of picture , people like to pick on Yuzuru regarding his " inflation PCS", some are not interest in others so they just mentioning Yuru, but some , with or without purpose, just talk about him as if he is the only " inflation case" out there. if there is "inflation" like some believe, then all the top guys around his rank are " inflated" in score, most noted guys are PChan, Javier and recently Machida. in the past, people only picked on PChan because there's only him with that kind of score out there. but now people only pick on Yuru while there are some guys up there with him. that's not cool.
back to the Orser topic, he's the coach of 3 champions this season, so i have no doubt with him being selected. congrat to him. that aside, i will give him credit for Yuzu success, but how much? not so much. like some already said, i know Yuru said that he won't get the OG if he didn't move to Canada to train. but at the same speech, he didn't say he wouldn't get gold without Orser. he said something like in the past he couldn't train much, moving to Canada he has a lot more ice time and off time training. therefore , moving to Canada help him winning gold. he said the coaching is the same ( or something similar to that line). so according to him, the thing he value the most in training in Canada is the facilities and the professional working style, not the coaching. so the ones i give more credit for his success are the club itself and the team working there, or you can say Orser's team. Yuru was 17 yo when he moved to Canada, at that age and with his talent, he was bound to improve and improve. there was nowhere he could go but up with even decent coaching. bluntly, i think that he will succeed with any international-level coach with good facilities.well, that's for the past 2 years of Yuru with Orser, for the upcoming 4
years, i hope i can give bigger credits to Orser for Yuru's success .
back to the Orser topic, he's the coach of 3 champions this season, so i have no doubt with him being selected. congrat to him. that aside, i will give him credit for Yuzu success, but how much? not so much. like some already said, i know Yuru said that he won't get the OG if he didn't move to Canada to train. but at the same speech, he didn't say he wouldn't get gold without Orser. he said something like in the past he couldn't train much, moving to Canada he has a lot more ice time and off time training. therefore , moving to Canada help him winning gold. he said the coaching is the same ( or something similar to that line). so according to him, the thing he value the most in training in Canada is the facilities and the professional working style, not the coaching. so the ones i give more credit for his success are the club itself and the team working there, or you can say Orser's team. Yuru was 17 yo when he moved to Canada, at that age and with his talent, he was bound to improve and improve. there was nowhere he could go but up with even decent coaching. bluntly, i think that he will succeed with any international-level coach with good facilities.well, that's for the past 2 years of Yuru with Orser, for the upcoming 4
years, i hope i can give bigger credits to Orser for Yuru's success .
I actually don't see option that UR on quad should receive more points than fall on rotated quad. Quad is quad. Rotation itself is very hard to achieve.
I don't disagree, fully rotated jumps do feel more fair, I'm talking about the gap - how fallen jump can be considered 70%-successfully done compare with 20% left from UR
sorry, i didn't read your post carefully. with the ever changing rule, may be that will change in future. in terms of current rule, what i can say is the sport now highly value the technical preciseness. athletes have to learn how to fully rotate a jump before learning landing them. if one can't rotate a jump, then everything is invalid, landing or not. in my eyes, UR mean zero, no matter that's a triple go double or a quad go triple. but rule still give 20% for UR, so, to me, 70% of falling is acceptable ( with some quad, that 60% with -1 deduction). this is a sport in the first place, what 's suppose to to should be do, like i didn't expect a 100m racer to run like a marathon athlete, a quad should be a quad even with fall, nothing else.
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To me, there is another way of looking at it. We are talking about figure skating. This refers to the skillful use of blades on ice. Jumping into the air and spinning around is not a skating skill. You can do that on dry land. The reason the quad is regarded as a figure skating element at all is because the skater is expected to land on a flowing outside edge. Just leaping into the air and then crashing to the ice -- how is that even skating?
To me, there is another way of looking at it. We are talking about figure skating. This refers to the skillful use of blades on ice. Jumping into the air and spinning around is not a skating skill. You can do that on dry land. The reason the quad is regarded as a figure skating element at all is because the skater is expected to land on a flowing outside edge. Just leaping into the air and then crashing to the ice -- how is that even skating?
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Still don't understand any of this "jumps and rotations" argument has anything to do with Orser's achievements.
I mean seriously, Hanyu mostly fell on his 4S, yes, but other than that he archived big things this season. His basic skills are improving, his speed is getting more steady, his mentality is getting better. Yes the choreography is not ideal but his stamina is improving so he can finish 2 different quads and 8 triples finally. That was a first time for him and for many others. So all of this doesn't mean Orser team is playing a good job at helping Yuzuru?
Let's not forget Javi and Nam, who are both improving quite well under Orser.
The only down point is, their choices of costumes.
I mean seriously, Hanyu mostly fell on his 4S, yes, but other than that he archived big things this season. His basic skills are improving, his speed is getting more steady, his mentality is getting better. Yes the choreography is not ideal but his stamina is improving so he can finish 2 different quads and 8 triples finally. That was a first time for him and for many others. So all of this doesn't mean Orser team is playing a good job at helping Yuzuru?
Let's not forget Javi and Nam, who are both improving quite well under Orser.
The only down point is, their choices of costumes.
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Crazy future prediction offtop: Meoima to become team Orser's costumes designer
Hah, hopefully you can do better than Hanyu's freeskate atrocity (sorry Johnny!).
Crazy future prediction offtop: Meoima to become team Orser's costumes designer
Crazy future prediction offtop n#2 : Meoima to become team Orser's public relation manager
Still don't understand any of this "jumps and rotations" argument has anything to do with Orser's achievements.
I mean seriously, Hanyu mostly fell on his 4S, yes, but other than that he archived big things this season. His basic skills are improving, his speed is getting more steady, his mentality is getting better. Yes the choreography is not ideal but his stamina is improving so he can finish 2 different quads and 8 triples finally. That was a first time for him and for many others. So all of this doesn't mean Orser team is playing a good job at helping Yuzuru?
Let's not forget Javi and Nam, who are both improving quite well under Orser.
The only down point is, their choices of costumes.
Aw I liked Javi's LP costume this season, his SP costume and Nam's costumes depended on my mood =p
Yuzuru's LP costume... I just refer to it as the frilly boobskirt
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If that happened I would love to order them doing a high school musical on ice.Crazy future prediction offtop n#2 : Meoima to become team Orser's public relation manager
If that happened I would love to order them doing a high school musical on ice.
Fantastico!
a musical like FAME??
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if so then tooo bad yuna jumped ship...He's got the Midas Touch -- everything he touches turns to gold.
