Kaitlin Hawayek was born November 4, 1996 in Auburn Hills, Michigan, USA. Her partner, Jean-Luc Baker, was born October 7, 1993 in Burnley, England. The team competes for the United States in ice dance. They are the 2018 Four Continents champions, 2018 NHK Trophy champions, 2014 World Junior champions and 2013 JGP Final silver medalists.
How Kaitlin Hawayek pronounces her name (video by sabinfire):
https://youtu.be/59_ywWbRZYs
How Jean-Luc Baker pronounces his name (video by sabinfire):
https://youtu.be/dfRIaAMwtWk
The teams GoFundMe: https://www.gofundme.com/hawayek-baker
Last updated: December 27 2018 by combo
ISU bio: http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00054329.htm
Their official website: http://www.hawayek-baker.ice-dance.com/
Tracings.net entry: http://tracings.net/hawa-bake.html
Kaitlin's wikipedia: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaitlin_Hawayek
Jean-Luc's wikipedia: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Baker
Social Media
Kaitlin
Twitter http://twitter.com/KaitlinHawayek
Instagram: https://instagram.com/kait_hawayek/
Jean-Luc
Twitter: http://twitter.com/jeanlucbaker
Instagram: https://instagram.com/jeanlucbaker/
Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/jeanluc.baker.1
The Team
Internet / Social Media contact (couple): https://www.facebook.com/KaitlinandJeanLuc
Personal bests:
Personal Best Total Score 184.63 ISU GP NHK Trophy 2018 Personal Best Score Rhythm Dance 71.33 ISU Grand Prix Final 2018 Personal Best Score Free Dance 113.92 ISU GP NHK Trophy 2018
Personal bests (historical):
Personal Best Total Score 177.36 ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2016 Personal Best Score Short Dance 70.12 ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2016 Personal Best Score Free Dance 107.24 ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2016
Programs
2018-19
RD: Tango: Vuelo al Sur by Juan Carlos Caceres, Tango: A los Amigo by Forever Tango
FD: Trampoline Theme by The Irrepressibles, In This Shirt by The Irrepressibles
2018 Grand Prix Final RD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjAk8buQ6Lw
2018 Grand Prix Final FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BM1ttt2yl8
2018 Internationaux de France RD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZrH3Rorzms
2018 Internationaux de France FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NXrEoga-NA
2018 NHK Trophy RD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcCBaX2ldYs
2018 NHK Trophy FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRw5ntDDwo
2017-18
SD: Samba: Get Busy by Sean Paul, Rhumba: Soha Mil Paso by Isabelle & Felicien, Samba: Fireball by Pitbull (choreo. by Pasquale Camerlengo)
FD: "Liebestraum" composed and edited by Maxime Rodriguez; choreo by Pasquale Camerlengo, Benji Schwimmer
Seasons Best Total Score 174.29 ISU Four Continents Championships 2018 Seasons Best Score Short Dance 69.08 ISU Four Continents Championships 2018 Season Best Score Free Dance 105.21 ISU Four Continents Championships 2018
2018 Four Continents SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5cTofqvi-M
2018 Four Continents FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6PM2smX4ls
2018 US Nationals SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOm_wReXhlo
2018 US Nationals FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43fdnQr_soE
2017 Golden Spin SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O77gFRTWMGo
2017 Golden Spin FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP7iBkFm5yY
2017 Skate America SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFyuvd-e7wI
2017 Skate America FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUweid6xvUQ
2017 Skate Canada SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWtz6FjMVys
2017 Skate Canada FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeenlLN-Exg
2017 US Classic SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhC3xdDCV50
2017 US Classic FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkPBJ86g5b8
2016-17
SD: Blues: Feeling Good” by Michael Bublé and Hip Hop: “How I Feel” by Flo Rida; choreo by Pasquale Camerlengo, Benji Schwimmer
FD: "Liebestraum" composed and edited by Maxime Rodriguez; choreo by Pasquale Camerlengo, Benji Schwimmer
Seasons Best Total Score 177.36 ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2016 Seasons Best Score Short Dance 70.12 ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2016 Season Best Score Free Dance 107.24 ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2016
2017 US Nationals SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoxiUYRajfM
2017 US Nationals FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtwGu8UzrPk
2016 Golden Spin FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKOoxdAvTmg
2016 NHK Trophy SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB_Hx3F5eyE
2016 NHK Trophy FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI_j3NYrDGc
2016 GP Skate Canada SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNp-79NTmRM
2016 GP Skate Canada FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UWzXEU8TWk
2016 Skate Canada Autumn Classic International SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8szl5CjXWNI
2016 Skate Canada Autumn Classic International FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyhN4TawyCI
2016 Dance Chicago FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebpBRPC7gTs
2015-16
SD: Selections from Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker (Waltz of the Flowers and Nutcracker March) choreo by Krylova and Camerlengo
FD: The Theory of Everything soundtrack; choreo by Krylova and Camerlengo
Season's Best Total Score 153.06) ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2015 Season's Best Score Short Dance 58.76 ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2015 Personal Best Score Free Dance 94.30 ISU CS Golden Spin of Zagreb 2015
2016 US Nationals SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd-GmRVatTI
2016 US Nationals FD, HD video by sabinfire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fCHSRd9oW8
2015 Golden Spin of Zagreb Victory Ceremony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYV-EjlHRQo
2015 Skate America SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpNfBijCI3A
2015 Skate America FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwBScqU17Bk
2015 Finlandia Trophy SD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFV4E-zBKoc
2015 Finlandia Trophy FD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yjXNH3F6-U
2014-15
SD: Flamenco:Malaguena by Ernesto Lecuona, Paso Doble, Flamenco
FD: Wedding Vows (from "Romeo and Juliet" soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski, The Cheek of Night (from "Romeo and Juliet" soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski, Come, Gentle Night (from "Romeo and Juliet" soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski, Forbidden Love (from "Romeo and Juliet" soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski
Season's Best Total Score 149.98 ISU Four Continents Championships 2015 Season's Best Short Dance. 58.50 ISU GP NHK Trophy 2014 Personal Best Score Free Dance 91.67 ISU Four Continents Championships 2015
2015 Four Continents SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO-CC0jK794
2015 Four Continents FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iZhqPlEm84
2015 US Championships FD
This dance was so good that it won the PSA's EFI Award for best dance at 2015 US Championships!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxIFIdwfkoQ
Kaitln & Jean-Luc win a bronze medal in their first senior GP season!
2014 NHK SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY3zDfIpryk
2014 NHK FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzSp1AgcQZY
2014 NHK Victory Ceremony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJesyO-b6bc
2014 Rostelecom SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u76iOkzBhdM
2014 Rostelecom Cup FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZTvbeANqAo
At their international senior debut, Kaitlin and Jean-Luc make the podium!
2014 Nebelhorn SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd8RvGYNe1U
2014 Nebelhorn FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wja7hszM9EA
2013-14
SD: Happy Feet by Milton Ager and Jack Yellen, Foxtrot: It Had To Be You by Harry Connick Jr., Quickstep: Sing, Sing, Sing by James Horner
FD: J'y suis jamais alle (from "Amelie" soundtrack) by Yann Tiersen; Comptine d'un autre ete - L'Apres (from "Amelie" soundtrack) by Yann Tiersen;
La Noyee (from "Amelie" soundtrack) by Yann Tiersen; Sur le fil (from "Amelie" soundtrack) by Yann Tiersen
Personal Best Total Score 157.12 ISU World Junior Championships 2014 Personal Best Score Short Dance 66.73 ISU World Junior Championships 2014 Season Best Score Free Dance 90.39 ISU World Junior Championships 2014
Kaitlin & Jean-Luc win Junior Worlds 2014!!
2014 Junior Worlds Championships SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXPNosDTOKk
2014 Junior Worlds Championships FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxAGsU_j_FI
Kaitlin & Jean-Luc win US Juniors!
2014 US Championships Junior SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0POhmuS4TnI
2014 US Championships Junior FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snz0ftJyULc
The guys, having won both of their 2013 JGP's, qualified for the JGPF, where they won silver.
2013-14 JGPF SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKzvAs84Bk
2013-14 JGPF FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=majCVtDmLPs
2013 JGP Baltic Cup SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8odtvQhgo10
2013 JGP Baltic Cup FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyagSRE5gEg
2013 JGP Mexico SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvc01biPzkY
2013 JGP Mexico FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEFYmSptV28
2012-13
SP: Blues: Minnie the Moocher performed by Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, Swing: Gimme Some Rhythm Daddy performed by The Brian Setzer Orchestra
FD: Singing in the Rain (soundtrack) by Nacio Herb Brown and Arthur Freed
Personal Best Total Score 138.61 ISU JGP Pokal der Blauen Schwerter 2012 Season Best Score Short Dance 58.66 ISU JGP Pokal der Blauen Schwerter 2012 Season Best Score Free Dance 79.95 ISU JGP Pokal der Blauen Schwerter 2012
2013 Junior Worlds Championships SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQSc0Mxr18Y
2013 Junior Worlds Championships FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dedt60n2okw
2012 JGP Pokal der Blauen Schwerter SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyamI04w2to
2012 JGP Pokal der Blauen Schwerter FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MT6hVbmAV4
2012 JGP Bosphorus SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsUG3gUK3Vw
2012 JGP Bosphorus FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ara9PIQW8tc
Competitive History
Exhibitions
2017 Skate Canada Gala - Austen Powers medley: Shining Star by Maurice White, Larry Dunn, Philip Bailey, Let's Get It On by Marvin Gaye, Ed Townsend, Soul Bossa Nova by Quincy Jones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDp5ndAEsFY
2016 NHK Trophy Gala - Disco Medley: "Got To Give It Up Part 1" by Marvin Gaye, "Play That Funky Music" by Wild Cherry, "Canned Heat" by Jamiroquai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS04Xx8Mi0g
2016 Skate Canada Gala "Earned It" by The Weeknd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oazNi5rkPxM
2015 Golden Spin of Zagreb "Take Me to Church" by Hozier
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3h...gala-3-3_sport
2015 Frenchie Skate "Take Me to Church" by Hozier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7JFNnJ-wXA
2014 NHK EX "Wicked Game" by Chris Isaak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9TZ8x7da4M
2014 Nebelhorn EX "Wicked Game" by Chris Isaak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pst80o-0rtg
2014 US Championships EX "Dreaming With a Broken Heart" by John Mayer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh-XVPMx4o
Baby Pictures! Other Partners
Jean-Luc & Joylyn Yang
2006 Lake Placid IDC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7l7BZ2nRAg
Jean-Luc & Joylyn Yang
2008 Junior Nationals Intermediate Free Dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhMJKU0_NJs
Jean-Luc & Joylyn Yang
2011 US Championships Junior SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Zy_V2VKVM
Jean-Luc & Joylyn Yang
2011 Apple Classic Junior SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW0yXFFCBbQ
2011 Apple Classic Junior FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXVmf47I5qI
This channel has lots of Jean-Luc and Joylyn vids from 2006
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy2q6NiKXI87hd4vxTZYrEA
Kaitlin & Michael Bramante
2011 US Championships Novice FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojPkv2qeec8
Kaitlin & Michael Bramante
JGP Tallinn SD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQkmyADY0ZA
JGP Tallinn FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VogSPyM6wU
Golden Skate Articles and Threads
Article: August 2015 "Hawayek and Baker Ready to Push Boundaries" by Paula Slater
http://www.goldenskate.com/2015/08/k...ean-luc-baker/
Articles: Jan 2013 "Aldridge and Eaton defend US junior ice dance title"
Kaitlin and Jean-Luc finish second in juniors at 2013 US Nationals in Juniors as a new team!
http://www.goldenskate.com/2013/01/a...e-dance-title/
http://www.goldenskate.com/2013/01/a...-us-nationals/
Article October 2012-Hawayek & Baker win silver at their second JGP ever, Chemnitz
http://www.goldenskate.com/2012/10/2012-jgp-chemnitz/
Article Sept 2012 Kaitlin & Jean-Luc debut on the JGP
http://www.goldenskate.com/2012/09/2012-jgp-bosphorus/
Article: Jan. 2011 - "Yang and Baker surprise leaders after junior short dance"
Jean Luc and former partner jump ino national visibility
http://www.goldenskate.com/2011/01/y...r-short-dance/
http://www.goldenskate.com/2011/01/c...-a-gold-medal/
Jan 2015 thread: Does Kaitlin Hawayek and Jean-Luc Baker's height difference matter?
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...ference-matter
April 2014 thread: Hawayek/Baker vs. Shibutani/Shibutani vs. Hubbell/Donohue
http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...ubbell-Donohue
Other Articles and Media
October 2016 -"We're Focusing On the Basics" on icenetwork
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2016/...-on-the-basics
Aug. 2016 - "Hawayek and Baker Bring a Fresh Inspiration" on ice-dance.com
http://www.ice-dance.com/site/hawaye...h-inspiration/
Oct. 2015- Jean-Luc and Kaitlyn talk about their new programs for 2015-2016
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2015/10/05/152237084
Kaitlin and Jean-Luc lip sync to My Humps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXz0P7jA1VM
Sep. 2015 Q&A
http://www.figureskating-online.com/hawayek-baker.html
Jan 2015: Detroit dance duos ready to rumble with favorites
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2015/...with-favorites
Nov 2014 Weaver, Poje take take NHK Trophy dance title
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/...hy-dance-title
2014 The Skating Lesson interview, 58 minutes long, on vimeo
http://www.theskatinglesson.com/the-...jean-luc-baker
Aug 2014 Who will be ice dance's breakout stars in 2014-15?
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/...ars-in-2014-15
NYS Senate Session Honors Kaitlin & Jean-Luc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yI_o-R6hoA
Mar 2014 USA's Hawayek, Baker cook up dance gold in Sofia
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/...-gold-in-sofia
Mar 2014 Hawayek, Baker's happy feet take three-point lead
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/...ree-point-lead
Jan 2014 Hawayek, Baker win junior dance despite errors
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/...despite-errors
Jan 2014 Hawayek, Baker use happy feet to step out to lead
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/...ep-out-to-lead
Dec 2013 U.S. claims two spots on JGP Final dance podium
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2013/...l-dance-podium
Dec 2013 Russians, two U.S. duos lead dance at JGP Final
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2013/...e-at-jgp-final
Sep 2013 Hawayek and Baker, Wang medal for U.S. in Poland
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2013/...r-us-in-poland
Original post June 30, 2014 by snowflakebeautiful
These two need a thread of their own!They won 2014 junior world's and moved up to senior's!!!
Plus, I was super excited by their senior debut, because I loved their FD of 2015 to Amelie!
2013/2014 FD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMAvek_tx-M
2013/2014 SD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB10B7wJ-Z4
2014 Smucker's Special: Exhibition to "Dreaming with a Broken Heart:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh-XVPMx4o
For their senior debut GP assignments, they had Rostelecom and NHK! I hope I'm not alone in my excitement for them.
Last edited by dorispulaski; 11-29-2016 at 09:15 AM.
You're definitely not! Besides W/P, I'm most excited about this young couple!Originally Posted by snowflakebeautiful
These two need a thread of their own!
2013/2014 FD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMAvek_tx-M
2013/2014 SD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB10B7wJ-Z4
2014 Smucker's Special: Exhibition to "Dreaming with a Broken Heart:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh-XVPMx4o
For their senior debut GP assignments, they have Rostelecom and NHK! I hope I'm not alone in my excitement for them.
Yay!!! *squeals* Ohmygoodness, me too!!! I love both W/P and H/B ~ So excited to see what they choose for programs.
Also, I posted the Smucker's special because of the lifts in it...they're so good for being so young and rather newly paired.
And yes, doris - they both have twitters and instagrams.
Might be that it's going to be another 4 years of NA domination in ice dance - with all the drama in Russia and everythingYay!!! *squeals* Ohmygoodness, me too!!! I love both W/P and H/B ~ So excited to see what they choose for programs.
Also, I posted the Smucker's special because of the lifts in it...they're so good for being so young and rather newly paired.
And yes, doris - they both have twitters and instagrams.
My prediction for Olys 2018: Gold for W/P, silver for H/B and bronze for (I really want this for them) Hurtado/Diaz! In the mean time, Worlds podiums will be a mixture of C/L, W/P, H/B and G/P
http://www.icenetwork.com/fans/skati...eaders-choice/
You might want to vote for Kaitlyn & Jean-Luc for the reader's choice award
You can vote as many times as you want. You do not have to be logged into icenetwork to watch any of the videos from the 2014 US Figure skating championships either. Meryl & Charlie's FD is shown...without commentary, including the slo mo, and the K n C. Jason Brown's is his Prince SP. Kaitlyn & Jean Luc's is their kick-*** Quickstep/Foxtrot SD
I had to do right click and open in a new tab to get them to play.
I doubt they play on mobile devices, because IN has it's vids in Adobe Flashplayer, but still it's nice to watch all those programs without having to sign up. Some are LPs (D&W) some are SP's (Jason Brown) so until you watch you won't know which to expect.
Enjoy!
Last edited by dorispulaski; 06-30-2014 at 06:54 PM.
Thanks doris!!!http://www.icenetwork.com/fans/skati...eaders-choice/
You might want to vote for Kaitlyn & Jean-Luc for the reader's choice award
TMC: Shut the front door! Right now, a dream 2018 podium for me includes W/P and H/B too!!!I hope that over this year and the quad that they pick up more fans because they're fabulous!
~ Also, I sort of <3 the friendship that W/P and H/B appear to have. I think this quad may be a great one for DSC and Camerlengo and Krylova!
Thanks snowflakebeautiful for posting their exhibition. I hadn't seen it before now! I don't follow juniors but was bored and watched their Amelie free dance the other day and was just smitten. Those edges, especially on Jean-Luc, and the lift when she's balancing with her hands on his hips...they truly seem special to me.
How do we think they'll place against the other American couples this season?
You're welcome; and yes! I love that exhibition! And I was super impressed with how well they executed that lift as well.
I think it'll be interesting to see how they do as compared to the other American teams. We do have quite a few ice dancing teams, but none of them have been stand-outs exactly over the past quad, imo (granted they've been under the DW shadow like the Canadian teams have been under the VM shadow) ... where as I feel H/B have stood out in juniors, but this will be their first senior year... I feel like it's a wait and see at this point. But personally, I'd really like them to rise quickly to be a top contending American team!
I'm anxiously awaiting their program choices for this year! I just want to know already, haha. And off topic, but did anyone else see what Kaitlin tweeted to Kaitlyn/Andrew's twitter? Haha, I do like their friendship! And I'm so pumped for NHK.
My thoughts exactly! I envisioned another US/Canada contest but since W/P are a bit older, I'll give them the gold in 2018 and H/B will dance for theirs in 2022Thanks doris!!!
TMC: Shut the front door! Right now, a dream 2018 podium for me includes W/P and H/B too!!!
~ Also, I sort of <3 the friendship that W/P and H/B appear to have. I think this quad may be a great one for DSC and Camerlengo and Krylova!
ETA I just realised that since their GP events are later, they may come to Finlandia Trophy this year!!! Fingers crossed! Tessa&Scott came last year but I missed them
To be honest, I wouldn't think that a bronze at nationals is beyond them!
And oh man! I'm sorry, missing VM would be sad if they were super close. I mean I was sad their names weren't on the assignments even though I knew they wouldn't be.
I know....I envy all those who got to see either Tessa&Scott or Meryl&Charlie live!
And oh man! I'm sorry, missing VM would be sad if they were super close. I mean I was sad their names weren't on the assignments even though I knew they wouldn't be.
I'm hoping V&M will part of the dance-themed fifth Disson show that is supposed to be announced this week. I have a dim but persistent hope that Kaitlin & Jean-Luc will be included too.
Oh wow - if either or both were involved, it would make me so happy!!!
I was just wondering if anyone else is bouncing out of their seats right now because these two cuties are about to have their senior debut at Lake Placid in an hour or so?!?!
I was just wondering if anyone else is bouncing out of their seats right now because these two cuties are about to have their senior debut at Lake Placid in an hour or so?!?!
is there a live stream or will anyone be making videos? really, really like these two.
Great, I hope some video
There is a live stream, but you have to pay for it. I'm really really hoping for some youtube videos and word on what their music selections are!
I am sooooo looking forward to seeing them for the 1st time as seniors!I was just wondering if anyone else is bouncing out of their seats right now because these two cuties are about to have their senior debut at Lake Placid in an hour or so?!?!
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