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Who will push the technical edge in Ladies FS?

mich2

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yeah.. because the 7 triple program with questionable technique just to show everyone "OMG it's a 7 triple program..yada yada.." is the real definition of pushing the boundary..

i guess quality and consistency doesn't count..
A skater can have double jumps always peformed in high quality.
 

Mrs. P

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Perhaps in the last few years she did not push the technical side of ladies skating, but I think we have to remember that in the previous quad 2006-2010, SHE was pushing the technical boundaries despite not doing a 3Lo. She was one of the few Ladies skaters during the quad to do a 3-3 AND a 2A-3T consistently. Not only that she mastered two different 3-3 (3F-3T and 3Z-3T).

During that quad, Mao and Miki Ando were probably the only skaters who had harder technical elements (and in the later half, Miki stopped doing those elements).

And in 2010 Olympics, Yuna DID have the highest BV.

I suppose if Yuna "played it safe" during the 2010-2014 quad, I would think it was more because of the need to make sure she didn't re-injure herself. She was super prone to injuries during the 2006-2010 quad and I think it was probably smart of her not to overdo it.

Ultimately, I don't think most people, save for a few fans, will look back at Yuna's career as playing it safe at all.
 
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Icey

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Two 3A and one in combo? Btw who else besides Mao perfomed a trixel in combo? Midori?

How quickly we forget:
Tonya Harding was the first to complete a triple axel combination with the double toe loop.
 

Barb

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Mao was practicing her 3A all her life, as her 2a, 3f, etc. she dedicated a lot of her time to the 3a, who else does that???, really, no one, even if they dont want to say it, it is not private practice, people would be seeing, I doubt someone of the new top figure skaters practice a 3a or quad like other basic element, if we are lucky we will be watching a 3a in 7-10 years, but not Gracie, Adelina, Mirai, Elena, Ana or Julia. So dont worry, they wont do it, all of you can be happy and relaxed, this girls can push the artistic side or at their best to try to do the most perfect 3-3
 

Krunchii

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I thought it was Midori Ito?
I thought it was Midori too but apparently it was first done in 1991 at Skate America with Tonya, Midori first landed it in combination at NHK Trophy in the same year, Wikipedia says that Tonya is the first so I'm going to go with that. I can't find the dates for the competitions but Skate America is usually before NHK Trophy
 

Mrs. P

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Wikipedia states that Ito was the first to land the Axel in combination in 1988, though it doesn't say where...
 

lutzlover

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Who knows, maybe Mirai will land a 3A in competition. I saw her attempting some at the rink today, and they're awesome! They're about half cheated, but she's landing on one foot and they're super high.
 

Macassar88

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yeah.. like one hit wonder..

That's the thing about sport though - it's about how you do it that time. Not your entire body of work. Otherwise Plushenko should win every competition because of his consistency with the quad.
 

Sandpiper

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I think Yuna absolutely did push the technical side of figure skating, just not in the same way people before her did. While she didn't have the seven triples of Michelle Kwan/Irina Slutskaya (the two dominant skaters of the previous era), she had a 3-3 that was more consistent than Slutskaya's, more difficult than Kwan's, and better quality than either (Irina had huge height but wonky landings, Michelle had beautiful landings but not very impressive height, Yuna had both).

While Mao was more ambitious, I'd argue Yuna had a bigger impact, since many people are going for 3Lz-3T these days, and she is largely responsible. Granted, the reason women don't go for 3A isn't because they don't want to--it's because they can't. The reward isn't high enough, and the failure too costly, for it to be worth it.

With Yuna's 3Lz-3T and Mao's 3A, they essentially brought back the Kristi Yamaguchi-Midori Ito era (and interesting enough, like Yuna, Kristi was missing one triple jump).

Would I want to give Yuna a loop and a 7-triple LP? Of course! I'm sure Yuna would like that too. But I'd rather not seeing her going for the loop if she's going to fall on it most of the time, or if it'll lead to constant injuries. She deserved all her wins so I don't see what's the problem (scores circa. 2010 were ridiculous, but that's the judging system's problem, not Yuna's).

Who knows, maybe Mirai will land a 3A in competition. I saw her attempting some at the rink today, and they're awesome! They're about half cheated, but she's landing on one foot and they're super high.
The problem is, under the current rules, it's not worth going for 3A if it's UR. You get BV docked and you get GOE that's usually negative even if the jump wasn't bad outside of the UR. Mao does 3A because it's been her trademark since she was a teenager, and she'll probably go for it even if she gets 0 points. I can't see one of the current girls taking that risk.
 

Mrs. P

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With Yuna's 3Lz-3T and Mao's 3A, they essentially brought back the Kristi Yamaguchi-Midori Ito era (and interesting enough, like Yuna, Kristi was missing one triple jump).

This is a great point! And I'd argue the brought that era and kick it up a notch considering that Yuna and Mao had to do much harder technical programs under IJS than Kristi and Midori did in 6.0 in the late 1980s, early 1990s including more transitions, more spin revolutions, just more of everything really.
 

cooper

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That's the thing about sport though - it's about how you do it that time. Not your entire body of work. Otherwise Plushenko should win every competition because of his consistency with the quad.

but that's not considered as "pushing the technical side" though.. for me being consistent makes the impact more unforgettable..
 

Icey

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According to Harding's bio on Wiki:

At the Fall 1991 Skate America, Harding recorded three more firsts:

The first woman to complete a triple axel in the short program;
The first woman to successfully execute two triple axels in a single competition;
The first ever to complete a triple axel combination with the double toe loop.

So she was the first to do it in combo with A double toe loop is how I read that. What jump was Ito's 3A in combination with?
 

FSGMT

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According to Harding's bio on Wiki:

At the Fall 1991 Skate America, Harding recorded three more firsts:

The first woman to complete a triple axel in the short program;
The first woman to successfully execute two triple axels in a single competition;
The first ever to complete a triple axel combination with the double toe loop.

So she was the first to do it in combo with A double toe loop is how I read that. What jump was Ito's 3A in combination with?
I think it was the 3A+3T (during those years, landing the 3A on its own or doing it in combination in the FS almost didn't make any difference at all)
 

Icey

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In reading Ito's bio, the only mention I can find of her doing the 3a in combination was one done in a practice session before a competition and that was a 3/3. A citation is requested by wiki for that. Ito had many firsts----first lady to do a 7 triple program, first to do a 3a at the Olympics.

At the 1991 Grand Prix International de Paris – a pre-Olympic event in Albertville – Ito beat Kristi Yamaguchi by completing a triple axel and five other triple jumps in her free skate. During the warm-up before the free skate, she landed a triple Axel/triple toe loop jump combination, which has still not been equaled by any other female skater.[citation needed]
 

skatedreamer

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Well consistency shouldn't. It's about how you do on the night.

I understand what you mean about results on the night. Still, consistency does count because if your technique isn't reliable overall, don't you decrease your chances of hitting the jump when you need it?
 
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