Can skaters use music like hip-hop?

Tompson · Jul 12, 2014

I just thought 'What genre of music is the most hard thing to skate?'
and my answer was reggae or hip-hop...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H1kJYSqTis

Is choosing a Hip-hop maybe just a stupid thing?

anyanka · Jul 12, 2014

I think they work well for exhibitions, but the judges may not be as savvy or hip to it (pun intended) as the audience, making it harder to score from an interpretation stand point. That being said, I would love to see Tanya & Max try a Beyonce / Jay-Z duet for next year's FS.

Sam-Skwantch · Jul 12, 2014

Can you imagine someone interpretating a John Coltrane solo? That would be so insane. My vote goes to jazz as the toughest music to construct a program to. :eek:

anyanka · Jul 12, 2014

Sam-Skwantch said:
Can you imagine someone interpretating a John Coltrane solo? That would be so insane. My vote goes to jazz as the toughest music to construct a program to.

Or Yoko Ono. And even then, you can find a beat in her songs thanks to the dance remixes by Orange Factory.

jimeonji · Jul 12, 2014

I feel like something like this is pretty difficult to construct a program/skate to/interpret lol. A bit difficult to listen to as well, if you're not used to that area of classical music.

Right when you said hip hop I thought of Takahashi's hip hop swan lake :biggrin:

but it's a bit different from what you linked.

Alexcdj · Jul 12, 2014

I would like to see artists such as Rihanna, Gaga, Madonna collaborate with skaters to debut their singles and new programs together. More over, top DJ/producers like Avicii, David Guetta, Afrojack produce new tracks especially for the new programs. Syncing beats, drum roll, build-up & breakdown to each jump and pin. That would be really awesome.

silverfoxes · Jul 12, 2014

Some skaters can pull it off. Off the top of my head I can think of Misha Ge, Jin-seo Kim, Florent Amodio, Daisuke (I think he can skate to anything). Sure, it can work, but only if the skater feels comfortable with it and only with the right choreographer. I think an entire hip-hop routine would be much easier as an exhibition, but a competitive program with a few hip-hop elements can work.

Here's Stephane and Shizuka skating to Beyonce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7dwF38JWtE

A group hip-hop number from Friends on Ice - you can tell who's good and who isn't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYlG47E3hEM

gkelly · Jul 12, 2014

For competition purposes, I guess it depends how well the music lends itself to gliding movements along with more percussive movements -- and how well the skater can dance to the rhythms while moving across the ice. Lots of dancing in place can work for show numbers but would have to be minimized in competition.

sunnystars · Jul 12, 2014

Maybe with this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S3WtJYgy1Q

Sequinedream · Jul 12, 2014

Hip hop was recently added as a rhythm in ice dance. 2012-13 Jr's were allowed to skate blues and add hip hop as one of the rhythms if they wished, the music just had to be appropriate (no cursing in the language etc).

Olympia · Jul 12, 2014

gallavich said:
Some skaters can pull it off. Off the top of my head I can think of Misha Ge, Jin-seo Kim, Florent Amodio, Daisuke (I think he can skate to anything). Sure, it can work, but only if the skater feels comfortable with it and only with the right choreographer. I think an entire hip-hop routine would be much easier as an exhibition, but a competitive program with a few hip-hop elements can work.

Here's Stephane and Shizuka skating to Beyonce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7dwF38JWtE

A group hip-hop number from Friends on Ice - you can tell who's good and who isn't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYlG47E3hEM

Shizuka and Stephane...be still, my heart! Thanks for the link.

I agree that Daisuke can skate to anything.

el henry · Jul 12, 2014

Children, children, hip hop did not start in the 2000s :laugh:

This is, in fact, *the* original hip hop, old school:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SrdT_ghusY

can't touch this!

noskates · Jul 13, 2014

I couldn't take my eyes off Stephane in that program. I think Shizuka looked like she was doing choreography and Stephane looked like it was soooo natural for him.

Mrs. P · Jul 13, 2014

el henry said:
Children, children, hip hop did not start in the 2000s This is, in fact, *the* original hip hop, old school:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SrdT_ghusY

can't touch this!

I love Jason Brown, but MC Hammer (circa 1990) was not original hip-hop either. (Though it is hip hop, just not the *start* And Jason does deserve props for skating to it.)

Actually hip hop started around the late 1970s in Brooklyn/Bronx of NYC. Rapper's Delight of course is one of the most well known songs from that era. The was also Grandmaster Flash's "The Message."

Back to the topic: There are certain hip-hop songs that could work competitively because they sample sounds that would work in a skating program. Like for example Lupe Fiasco's "I Gotcha" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64EwEc96Y24) There's a clear rhythm with the piano melody line and a strong drum beat. And the song is about a man's confidence and swagger. I think someone could pull it off.

Also, there's hip-hop that's more lyrical and slow that could work. This is a song from a Korean hip-hop group called Epik High called "Fool:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh73MDoUfYw

ETA: Hip-hop was also an option for the SD at the junior level back in 2012. Here were a few attempts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMN5ek5gEOc (Meng and Meng of Canada, their hip hop primarily shows up at the end)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QcfmxstWyE (Parsons silblings of USA)

Abraxis12345 · Jul 13, 2014

Semenovich and Kostomarov tried...

http://youtu.be/rZNy06xgrz8. :slink:

Interspectator · Jul 13, 2014

Daisuke Takahashi's Cyber Swan was quite good.

pec0 · Jul 13, 2014

el henry said:
Children, children, hip hop did not start in the 2000s This is, in fact, *the* original hip hop, old school:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SrdT_ghusY

can't touch this!

Dance part is good to see. But jumps and spins look out of place.

surimi · Jul 13, 2014

Tompson said:
I just thought 'What genre of music is the most hard thing to skate?'
and my answer was reggae or hip-hop...

I pretty much agree, but oldies pop seems hard to skate to as well. I've seen people skate to Abba songs and Beatles songs, but most of their tunes just feel wrong and mismatched on the ice, even in an exhibition skate. It's something about the rhythm and the tune of songs like She Loves You or Fernando, I can't put my finger on it.

genki · Jul 13, 2014

http://youtu.be/4YCuZottNEc

Best hip hop ever skated. Never will be replicated!

el henry · Jul 13, 2014

Mrs. P said:
I love Jason Brown, but MC Hammer (circa 1990) was not original hip-hop either. (Though it is hip hop, just not the *start* And Jason does deserve props for skating to it.)

Actually hip hop started around the late 1970s in Brooklyn/Bronx of NYC. Rapper's Delight of course is one of the most well known songs from that era. The was also Grandmaster Flash's "The Message."

Back to the topic: There are certain hip-hop songs that could work competitively because they sample sounds that would work in a skating program. Like for example Lupe Fiasco's "I Gotcha" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64EwEc96Y24) There's a clear rhythm with the piano melody line and a strong drum beat. And the song is about a man's confidence and swagger. I think someone could pull it off.

Also, there's hip-hop that's more lyrical and slow that could work. This is a song from a Korean hip-hop group called Epik High called "Fool:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh73MDoUfYw

ETA: Hip-hop was also an option for the SD at the junior level back in 2012. Here were a few attempts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMN5ek5gEOc (Meng and Meng of Canada, their hip hop primarily shows up at the end)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QcfmxstWyE (Parsons silblings of USA)

More generational issues; I always thought of "Rappers Delight", as, well, rap. :laugh:

*Everyone* knew Rappers Delight when I was in college. Like (and completely completely OT) Mayor Michael Nutter of Philadelphia, who went to the college I did at the same time I did. A completely straitlaced guy, performing Rappers Delight with Philadelphia's own the Roots at his inauguration. He didn't just learn this, or these moves, for the inauguration, he was doing it back in the day.
http://vimeo.com/35208737

Back on topic, like the Parsons' siblings attempt. I think the ShibSibs would do great with something a little more edgy than MJ...

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