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    Ladies and the quad

    Miki Ando of Japan, a two-time World (2007, 2011) and three-time national champion (2003, 2004, & 2010), became the first lady to land a quadruple jump (Salchow) of any kind at the 2002–03 Junior Grand Prix Final in The Hague.

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    Other attempts and successful landings (source Wiki):

    1990 - Surya Bonaly (FRA) attempts a quad toe loop at the European Championships; first quad attempt by a woman in a major competition. She also falls on a quad Salchow attempt.

    1991 - Surya Bonaly (FRA) lands an underrotated quad attempt at the World Championships.

    1992 - Surya Bonaly (FRA) lands an underrotated quad toe loop at the Olympics and later repeats this at the World Championships.

    1996 - Surya Bonaly (FRA) attempts a quad Salchow at the World Championships, but lands forward and falls.

    2001 - Sasha Cohen (USA) lands a quad Salchow in warmup and practice at Skate America, but her attempt in the long program ends up aborted.

    2017 - Alexandra Trusova (RUS) lands an underrotated quad Salchow at the JGP Australia at the age of 13.

    2018

    • ​Alexandra Trusova (RUS) lands a rotated quad Salchow at the Russia Cup Final, she also falls on a quad toe loop attempt.
    • Alexandra Trusova (RUS) lands a ratified quad Salchow and a ratified quad toe loop with positive grades of execution at the 2018 World Junior Figure Skating Championships.
    • Alexandra Trusova (RUS) lands a quad toe loop-triple toe loop combination at the JGP in Kaunas, Lithuania. She also lands an underrotated quad Lutz.
    • Anna Shcherbakova (RUS) attempts a quad Lutz at the JGP Canada but falls.
    • Anna Shcherbakova (RUS) lands two quad Lutzes at the 2nd Stage of the Cup of Russia. The first was in combination with a triple toe loop although she stepped out on the landing.
    • Alexandra Trusova (RUS) lands a rotated quad Lutz at the JGP in Yerevan, Armenia.
    • Alexandra Trusova (RUS) lands a quad Lutz in combination with a triple toe loop at the fourth stage of the Cup of Russia.
    • Anna Shcherbakova (RUS) ands a quad Lutz at the Russian National Championships.
    • Alexandra Trusova (RUS) lands a quad Lutz at the Russian National Championships.

    2019

    • Elizabet Tursynbaeva (KAZ) attempts a quad Salchow at the 2019 Four Continents Figure Skating Championships, but falls. The jump, however, was called fully rotated, making Tursynbaeva the first senior woman to attempt the quad in international competition in two decades.
    • Alexandra Trusova (RUS) landed two quad toe loops (one in combination), but fell on a quad Lutz attempt at the 2019 World Junior Figure Skating Championships. Teammate Anna Shcherbakova (RUS) stepped out on a quad Lutz in the same competition.
    • Elizabet Tursynbaeva (KAZ) lands a quad Salchow with positive grades of execution at the 2019 World Figure Skating Championships and became the third woman to land a quadruple jump in international competition. She is the first senior woman to land a quadruple jump in international competition.


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    Didn't Surya fall after she landed her quad? I remember her celebrating when she landed, only to splat on her face immediately after. I know it's wrong, but that splat always has me when I watch it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franklin99 View Post
    Didn't Surya fall after she landed her quad? I remember her celebrating when she landed, only to splat on her face immediately after. I know it's wrong, but that splat always has me when I watch it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mmZhBy1IXQ

    How epic.

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    How I wish Miki Ando to get out of retirement...

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    Didn't Surya fall after she landed her quad?
    It was underrotated.

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    Well we all heard about the fact that Sotnikova wants to try it or that her coach believes she could do it... so maybe her, even though I don't think she's actually gonna go for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlight97 View Post
    Well we all heard about the fact that Sotnikova wants to try it or that her coach believes she could do it... so maybe her, even though I don't think she's actually gonna go for it
    Sotnikova needs to get more consistent about landing the doubles/triples in competition before she tries quads in competition.


    The one thing that concerns me about a lady trying the quad in competition is that she'll become like Mao Asada and become married to the move and get to the point where she 'has' to do it and the rest of her skating/program suffer.

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    Yulia Lip is rumored to be practicing the quad. She loves watching guys with quads, so it's understandable that she wants one for herself.

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    Mao's been doing the triple axel since she was a little girl. I don't think Adelina starting a quad at 17 would have the same connection with the jump as Mao did with hers. Not to mention, I don't think the triple axel was a bad thing for Mao. She made history with it, twice, at the Olympics (first woman to land 3 triple axels in one competition; first woman to land 8 triples, one of every kind, in the LP).

    Speaking of Mao, to add to the OP, Mao has landed quads in practice, I believe.

    My take on it: If it's decently stable in practice, by all means, go for it! It's an exciting prospect, but I don't want people splatting day in and day out. And considering the penalty for URs... I don't think anyone will attempt it. Liza and Adelina could potentially do it, if they stay injury-free and can hold their nerve.

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    Surya was training it before the Nagano Olympics. (I remember reading that she was landing 4S but unable to land a 3F in practices at her home rink.)

    Of the active ladies, I would think Adelina has the height but not the technique to land it. While she jumps big, her 3T is often leaning in the air. She is able to land it, but I think adding another rotation would throw her off. Perhaps Julia could do the 4S because she rotates so fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandpiper View Post
    Mao's been doing the triple axel since she was a little girl. I don't think Adelina starting a quad at 17 would have the same connection with the jump as Mao did with hers. Not to mention, I don't think the triple axel was a bad thing for Mao. She made history with it, twice, at the Olympics (first woman to land 3 triple axels in one competition; first woman to land 8 triples, one of every kind, in the LP).

    Speaking of Mao, to add to the OP, Mao has landed quads in practice, I believe.

    My take on it: If it's decently stable in practice, by all means, go for it! It's an exciting prospect, but I don't want people splatting day in and day out. And considering the penalty for URs... I don't think anyone will attempt it. Liza and Adelina could potentially do it, if they stay injury-free and can hold their nerve.
    There are videos of Mao as a young girl attempting the quad salchow but I guess she never quite got it

    Looking at the girls right now maybe Adelina since her jumps are big but personally I think she's only going to be doing it in practice, too risky for her.

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    ^I think Mao has spoken about wanting to a quad after Vancouver, but between reworking her jump technique and everything, I don't think she could've had enough energy left to get a quad too...

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    the ladies with potential for a 4T in my opinion are: Sotnikova, Meite (she attempts 3A in run through in Euros and Oly), and Osmond.. all three girls 3T are HUGE and so potent! maybe Murakami, but she needs to fix her URs

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuisRollerArg View Post
    the ladies with potential for a 4T in my opinion are: Sotnikova, Meite (she attempts 3A in run through in Euros and Oly), and Osmond.. all three girls 3T are HUGE and so potent! maybe Murakami, but she needs to fix her URs
    If it's Meite, then I would jump with joy! I love her style!

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    Here's a relevant video, ladies' 3-3s, 3A, and quad collection: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-IT72GWrWE

    Seems to have omitted lots of people from the older era (Yamaguchi, Ito, Harding), but it's still worth a watch. The Japanese ladies seem to really be bringing it with the tech content, between Mao, Shizuka, and Miki! Any chance one of them could bring the quad or 3A to competition, especially if they feel like they need it to challenge the Russians? (Outside of the obvious choice of Mao herself, who absolutely refuses to compete without 3A ).

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    I agree, Sotnikova is the only one that comes to my mind who has the height, but (therefore) she's lacking the speed to quadruple it. .. and also maybe the technique to land it if she were to make the rotations.
    And also she would need to have the absolutely perfect timing and therefore would need nerves and consistency and I agree since she struggles to reliably land triples I don't think it's gonna happen.

    Lipnitskaya on the other hand has the speed, but her jumps are some of the 'lowest' so ....And I don't think Gracie or any other top women could do it either..
    But you never know

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    Maybe Polina E? Her jumps have nice height and she looks like she is able to spin fast in the air.

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    All the ladies now in competiton will never do a quad or attempt 3a.

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    Anna P for quad

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    I can't see anyone currently skating landing quads in competition. And frankly I don't want to see quads. If JuLip starts trying them I will scream. She's an injury already waiting to happen with her flexy moves. I'd rather see better spin positions, current take-off edges, and attention to detail than a quad in the ladies' comp. Unless someone is a Midori Ito I just don't want to see someone who shouldn't be attempting them in practice doing so.

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