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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H564bENpNTA
Kamila Valieva jumps 4T during FP run-through in Courchevel
That is a wonderfully choreographed program. She has mastered the technique of skating fast to slow music.
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That is a wonderfully choreographed program. She has mastered the technique of skating fast to slow music.
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I gotta hand it to Miki. By modern standards her jump still holds up better than a whole lot of the other firsts.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8607LhRBMA
Valieva's first competition quad
P.S.: btw, some people calculated already that her 4T has about 64cm height :shocked:
Valieva's first competition quad
P.S.: btw, some people calculated already that her 4T has about 64cm height :shocked:
5.1 rps, 66cm there: https://streamable.com/6inhahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8607LhRBMA
Valieva's first competition quad
P.S.: btw, some people calculated already that her 4T has about 64cm height :shocked:
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https://tulup.ru/forum/topic/39577/message542209.html
Here you can analyze the jump as much as you want - it's recorded in 60fps, with built-in tools to slow it down up to frame-by-frame motion
P.S.: hats off to Korean coach in the background :agree:
Here you can analyze the jump as much as you want - it's recorded in 60fps, with built-in tools to slow it down up to frame-by-frame motion
P.S.: hats off to Korean coach in the background
:agree:
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That's what they call "double-timing"..
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https://tulup.ru/forum/topic/39577/message542209.html
Here you can analyze the jump as much as you want - it's recorded in 60fps, with built-in tools to slow it down up to frame-by-frame motion
You can also pause the video on youtube and press comma and dot to move by a single frame. Shift+comma and shift+dot slows down/speeds up the video.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8607LhRBMA
Valieva's first competition quad
P.S.: btw, some people calculated already that her 4T has about 64cm height :shocked:
Lovely program choreography. And that quad toe looked so effortless at the beginning I thought was a triple toe. :shocked: I thought the era of ladies quad might never arrive but now it seems the juniors field has several skaters landing them in competition.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7dDtsi1wrw
Liu's first jumps in her Aurora Games performance are 4Lz, 3A+2T, 3A.
All of them are URed, I think. You can see it yourself though and compare it with Valieva's quads
Nevertheless she will be more stronger rival for her than I thought - considering new rules and possible judging bias - she can get lots of points even for URed quads (and some of URs probably will be missed by tech panel too - she learned to hide her landings in Miyahara's manner already). And she is consistent, in good form and used to high pressure and attention as I see.
Liu's first jumps in her Aurora Games performance are 4Lz, 3A+2T, 3A.
All of them are URed, I think. You can see it yourself though and compare it with Valieva's quads
Nevertheless she will be more stronger rival for her than I thought - considering new rules and possible judging bias - she can get lots of points even for URed quads (and some of URs probably will be missed by tech panel too - she learned to hide her landings in Miyahara's manner already). And she is consistent, in good form and used to high pressure and attention as I see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7dDtsi1wrw
Liu's first jumps in her Aurora Games performance are 4Lz, 3A+2T, 3A.
All of them are URed, I think. You can see it yourself though and compare it with Valieva's quads
Nevertheless she will be more stronger rival for her than I thought - considering new rules and possible judging bias - she can get lots of points even for URed quads (and some of URs probably will be missed by tech panel too - she learned to hide her landings in Miyahara's manner already). And she is consistent, in good form and used to high pressure and attention as I see.
3A-2T looked rotated. The other 2 were <
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Ok, Also I can't help but notice that Alisa's quad is above one place - it reminds me how 4Lo is looking. She is jumping it upwards - and not forward. I wonder why is that?
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3A+2T is rotated, 4Lz is < but still much better than the ones she did a few months ago, and the second 3A is a LITTLE under (borderline because there was a video from a better angle and it looked around). They need to take out the ambitious transitions going into the second 3A because it makes it so challenging for her to pull off the height and rotations. As for Liu’s other triples, learning a quad made them quite clean. Sill, both Valieva and Liu have the most aesthetically unpleasant 3Lz+3T with the wonky landings. Still so much room for both to improve.
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I agree with this observation. If her jumps were longer as well as high she would be able to get better flow out of the landings.
Still, for this kind of an event her performance was astonishing. I for one am willing to hold back the critical analysis until she has a couple of major international junior competitions under her belt. Otherwise, so far, so good.
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I really enjoyed Alysa's performance yesterday but the quad was questionable. It's weird that usfigureskating decided to post this video to celebrate this achievement: https://www.instagram.com/p/B1kGFzIgl7M/?igshid=1w0rhtfr050uc. It only brings more attention to the landing. One would think they would rather try to hide it.
It'd be great to see her land an improved quad later on this season, so good luck to her.
It'd be great to see her land an improved quad later on this season, so good luck to her.
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Alyssa's quad is bit under (I'm not a big underrotation expert, but I see that more than a half of her blade is on the ice at 1/4 mark), but a lenient panel may as well ignore it. But it's already an improvement from what I have seen and she would still get 8-8.5 pts for underrotated 4Lz provided that she lands it (and she does so with an enormous success rate for such jump).
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That is an interesting point. The IJS scale of values lists a separate base value for a 4Lz<, as if it were, for scoring purposes, a different jump altogether from either a 3Lz or a 4Lz. The base vale for the 4Lz< jump is 9.20 (considerably higher than a fully rotated triple Axel, for instance).
In fact, the base value for a 4Lz< (3.75 revolutions or so) is pretty much exactly half-way between the base value for a triple Axel (3.5 revolutions) and a 4Lz (4.0 revolutions), which has some sort of logic to it, I guess.
Anyway, the three jumps 4Lz, 3A< and another 3A< adds up (before GOE) to 22.00 points. To beat that a quadster without a triple Axel would have to do 4T, 4S, 2A = 22.50.
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