Women and the Quad

Edwin · Sep 10, 2019

Elucidus said:
https://youtu.be/8fg4NoBKQho
https://youtu.be/5wkXl3M6XjY
quads during warm-up at test skates

Love this, and the happy, radiant and relaxed Alina. In fact all of the Amazing Aces seemed to be very relaxed, relishing their power, basking in the spectator's attention.
On the broadcast I heard the commentators talk about Anna and Aleksandra getting in each other's ways, but each of them landed quads in warmups.

lzxnl · Sep 10, 2019

oatmella said:
Nathan doesn’t usually do three 3A - does he not ‘skate like a guy’?

Sasha is a phenomenal athlete, regardless.

You get my point. 3As are important.

Skater Boy · Sep 10, 2019

katymay said:
I think she skates like a guy. And I kinda love that about her. Why not? She really is the Simone Biles of figure skating.

Simone is far more powerful and built a bit like a football player; Trusova is a waif.

Amei · Sep 10, 2019

katymay said:
I was surprised she didn't do the 4F instead of the 4L, because it is better than the 4L.

I assume because the 4L was what she competed last year that she's more comfortable with that jump; maybe after Lombardi this week where they see how she scores internationally against Liza T. and 3 triple axels they'll look at implementing it into her FS in addition to the 4L...

Elucidus · Sep 11, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbCuo4-og58
Kamila Valieva 4T+2T, 4T during FP run-through in Chelyabinsk :biggrin:

Mathman · Sep 11, 2019

Elucidus said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbCuo4-og58
Kamila Valieva 4T+2T, 4T during FP run-through in Chelyabinsk

Come on, Kammy! Make that a 4T+3T!

Elucidus · Sep 11, 2019

Mathman said:
Come on, Kammy! Make that a 4T+3T!

Considering she isn't jumping +3Lo combos - she will need 3T to repeat 3Lz and 3F later. Landing clean 3+3 is much easier than landing 4+3 - and between two options: 4+2/3+3 and 4+3/3+2 - first one is preferable. Point-wise there isn't any difference too. In other words - she doesn't need 4+3 combination now.

CanadianSkaterGuy · Sep 11, 2019

Elucidus said:
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2MdFACICp1
Berestovskaya's 4T (it's URed - but she landed it!)

I love her reaction! Whether landing your first axel or landing your first quad, I think every skater knows and has showed that feeling. :laugh:

CanadianSkaterGuy · Sep 11, 2019

Elucidus said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbCuo4-og58
Kamila Valieva 4T+2T, 4T during FP run-through in Chelyabinsk

Hah, she totally can... but maybe she's saving the triple for a second half combo for more points? Either way, wow, sensational stuff!

I also have to give huge ups to Trusova's THREE quads, including a quad lutz. It's pure insanity. I almost pity the other women she's up against. :bow:

Ykai · Sep 11, 2019

In the long program, can you repeat the same jump as the second jump in a combo? Say 3Lz+3T, followed by 3F+3T is valid, right? But 3Lz+3T, followed by a single 3T by is not.

Orlov · Sep 11, 2019

Mathman said:
Come on, Kammy! Make that a 4T+3T!

This is simply not necessary due to the restrictions imposed by the rules. Look, definitely:

4T+2T(3T)*
4T
2A [rules]
3Lo [single cuz Camila doesn't cascade with a 3Lo, but obviously all types of triple jumps should be used]

and probably

3Lz+1Eu+3S
3F+3T(2T)*
3Lz

* Designations mean - if you jump 3T at the beginning, you must have to jump 2T at the end or vice versa.

Well, then what's the point of complicating the quad combo?

Mathman · Sep 11, 2019

Orlov said:
Well, then what's the point of complicating the quad combo?

Because it's just so cool. Any junior lady can jump a 4T+2T, but a 4T+3T -- now people will start noticing you!

Or change the second 4T to 4S. Then she could do both 4T+3T and 3F+3T. :yes: That way, she would be favored to win this Chelyabinsk event.

Orlov · Sep 11, 2019

Mathman said:
Because it's just so cool. Any junior lady can jump a 4T+2T, but a 4T+3T -- now people will star noticing you!

Or change the second 4T to 4S. Then she could do both 4T+3T and 3F+3T. :yes: That way, she would be favored to win this Chelyabinsk event.

as we say in Russia - "You eat too much" :laugh:

Elucidus · Sep 11, 2019

Mathman said:
Because it's just so cool. Any junior lady can jump a 4T+2T, but a 4T+3T -- now people will star noticing you!
Or change the second 4T to 4S. Then she could do both 4T+3T and 3F+3T. That way, she would be favored to win this Chelyabinsk event.

Ah, you have quite specific sense of humour, I get it :cool2:

Skater Boy · Sep 11, 2019

I am not sure about the rules but if quads can be done in the short that is key. If they can't then the triple axel is really important. If you do a triple axel in the short clean you are like a good 5 or 6 pts up tech wise than those only with a 2A factoring in GOE's and all. ET, Rika and Liu when eligible have the abiltiy to do really well if quads are allowed in the short Trusova needs the 3A. Rika and ET could really clean up along with Liu. The sad thing is we may no longer see skaters like Satoko, Evgenia and Alina on the world scene without 3A's and quads.

Mathman · Sep 11, 2019

Elucidus said:
Ah, you have quite specific sense of humour, I get it :cool2:

Yeah, I was trying to be funny. Sorry for the confusion.

But on a more serious note, I remember that this was a big topic of conversation for Patrick Chan's short programs.. What are the pros and cons of attempting 4T+3T and then 3Lz, versus solo 4T, then 3Lz+3T.

I want to add, with regard to Kamila's run-through clip: The quads were great, but I was just as impressed with her speed across the ice and grace of movement.

mrrice · Sep 11, 2019

CanadianSkaterGuy said:
I love her reaction! Whether landing your first axel or landing your first quad, I think every skater knows and has showed that feeling.

OMG......That face was priceless!!

drivingmissdaisy · Sep 11, 2019

Skater Boy said:
The sad thing is we may no longer see skaters like Satoko, Evgenia and Alina on the world scene without 3A's and quads.

I think this is a stretch. Alina is less consistent now than in 2017-18, Evgenia is less consistent now than when she was winning everything in 2015-17, so it is very likely all of the quad skaters will see a drop in form at some point. I think we'll see more quads at the senior ladies level now, but I don't expect any of the women to land them consistently year after year. What is tough is that skaters like Alina and Evgenia will have to rely on mistakes from others to win, which wasn't the case when each was dominating with the highest technical content.

lzxnl · Sep 11, 2019

Mathman said:
Yeah, I was trying to be funny. Sorry for the confusion.

But on a more serious note, I remember that this was a big topic of conversation for Patrick Chan's short programs.. What are the pros and cons of attempting 4T+3T and then 3Lz, versus solo 4T, then 3Lz+3T.

I want to add, with regard to Kamila's run-through clip: The quads were great, but I was just as impressed with her speed across the ice and grace of movement.

I think the idea is, once you get used to a 4T+3T, you can repeat the 4T eventually

thedude · Sep 12, 2019

katymay said:
I think she skates like a guy. And I kinda love that about her. Why not? She really is the Simone Biles of figure skating.

Potential to be the Simone Biles of figure skating... potential. Simone has been the top for almost 2 Olympic cycles and her routines are getting more difficult and she's 22.

Trusova is just getting started

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