2014 JGP Courchevel Junior Free Dance

TMC said:

Surprised that Alla Loboda is only 15, she looks more mature to me. I liked both Russian teams but they were my favourites. Their short was gorgeous but the FD maybe a bit too busy.

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Started well but got frantic to me. Maybe with time it will get better, it's only the first event. She is very expressive and I like that.

Edwards/Pang left the door wide open with their low TES.

TMC said:

Surprised that Alla Loboda is only 15, she looks more mature to me. I liked both Russian teams but they were my favourites. Their short was gorgeous but the FD maybe a bit too busy.

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Was about to write abput her age ) Was quite surprised, too
I think the FD was rushed, I agree. But maybe it will look more smooth as the season goes on

If the French beat Spelivaya/Smirnov, I will be mad, cause they got low PCS...

Those two russian pairs were very satisfying.

oleada said:

Edwards/Pang left the door wide open with their low TES.

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Yes, I was rooting for them and happy for the SD 1st place finish, but the FD result is correct.

Oh wait, I was checking the protocols and - just 2 lifts in FD (ChLi not incl. ) ?? Am I missing something?

TMC said:

Omg these kids (Nazarova/Nikitin)...their program is bizarre but I love it and their lifts!

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Yes, I love them!!! Haha, they have some interesting programs...

Also - I really like Lewis/Bye's FD for this year!! I think they have room to grow with it, but it already looks nice. Their SD needs some work...but I can't wait to see how these two progress. They're cuties!

catchie said:

Oh wait, I was checking the protocols and - just 2 lifts in FD (ChLi not incl. ) ?? Am I missing something?

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See FD requirements on pp. 6-7 of ISU Communication No. 1857, "Ice Dance Requirements for Technical Rules season 2014/15:"

golden411 said:

See FD requirements on pp. 6-7 of ISU Communication No. 1857, "Ice Dance Requirements for Technical Rules season 2014/15:"

http://static.isu.org/media/139578/1857-id-technical-requirements-season-2014-15.pdf (eight pages total)​

Junior: not more than

- one (1) Long Lift,
or
- two (2) different Types of Short Lifts​

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(not including ChLi)​

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Wow. Kinda weird. That means more actual DANCING! Yay! Thanks for explaining.

fd scores

Pl. Name Nation TSS = TES + PCS + SS TR PE CC IT Ded.- StN.

1 Alla LOBODA / Pavel DROZD RUS 82.34 40.16 42.18 6.85 7.10 7.05 7.10 7.05 0.00 #12
FD Giselle by Adolphe Adam; choreo by Mikhail Kolegov
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aZpkZn5_Ofo

2 Madeline EDWARDS / Zhao Kai PANG CAN 77.78 34.34 43.44 7.20 7.05 7.35 7.20 7.40 0.00 #11
FD Beautiful that Way by Nicola Piovani; Il Tema Della Tata by Nicola Piovani; Act 3: Finale (from "Hobson's Choice") by Paul Reade; choreo by Wing & Lowe
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VeYnVyO-Uq8

3 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR 77.44 36.64 40.80 6.70 6.65 6.80 7.10 6.75 0.00 #9
FD Escalier by Hugues Le Bars, Air by Johann Sebastian Bach, Tango Tchack by Hugues Le Bars; choreo by Sergei Petukhov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRVvNekDWXE

4 Anastasia SHPILEVAYA / Grigory SMIRNOV RUS 73.48 36.88 36.60 6.10 5.85 6.10 6.25 6.20 0.00 #10
FD Out of My Mind by Raphael Gualazzi, Bye, Bye Johnny by Robert Wells; choreo by lexander Svinin and Irina Zhuk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8cC6o1Obv8

5 Chloe LEWIS / Logan BYE USA 70.66 35.74 34.92 5.80 5.55 5.90 5.85 6.00 0.00 #8
FD Prelude in C Minor, Prelude in F minor, Prelude in E minor and Breezin by Chopin; choreo by Shpilband
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nEhfwMBEDqc

6 Melinda MENG / Andrew MENG CAN 65.58 33.66 31.92 5.55 5.10 5.20 5.45 5.30 0.00 #7
D Vois Sur Ton Chemin (from Les Choristes soundtrack) by Bruno Coulais, Seuls (from Les Choristes soundtrack) by Bruno Coulais, End Credits (from Les Choristes soundtrack) by Bruno Coulais; choreo by Shae Zukiwsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr8kBQQyZxM

7 Emily DAY / Kevin LEAHY USA 64.76 32.24 32.52 5.45 5.30 5.45 5.40 5.50 0.00 #6
FD Main title from "Chocolat" (soundtrack) by Rachel Portman,Vianne Confronts the Comte from "Chocolat" (soundtrack) by Rachel Portman, Vianne Sets Up Shop from "Chocolat" (soundtrack) by Rachel Portman soundtrack by Rachel Portman; choreo by Fowler-Binder and Novikov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_t6yL0RDdA

8 Sarah Marine ROUFFANCHE / Geoffrey BRISSAUD FRA 63.74 30.24 34.50 5.75 5.50 5.90 5.85 5.75 1.00 #13
FD Jailhouse Rock by Elvis Presley; Only You by the Platters; Blue Suede Shoes by Elvis Presley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39yH3nYpV54

9 Eugenia TKACHENKA / Yuri GULITSKI BLR 57.64 29.62 28.02 4.75 4.55 4.65 4.70 4.70 0.00 #5
FD Back to Black, Young and Beautiful by Laura Del Ray, Bang Bang by will.i.am (The Great Gatsby soundtrack)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui60BLCRxJE

10 Sarah VADSKJAER GRAPEK / Malcolm JONES DEN 53.60 30.56 23.04 3.90 3.55 3.95 3.80 4.00 0.00 #1
FD Gone With the Wind (Main Theme - soundtrack) by Max Steiner, Charleston Heel and Toe Polka (from "Gone With the Wind) by Max Steiner, Scarlett's Waltz (from "Gone With the Wind) by Max; choreo by Michelle Marvin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTU2ok7AX-k

11 Julia WAGRET / Mathieu COUYRAS FRA 53.08 28.02 27.06 4.55 4.35 4.30 4.70 4.65 2.00 #3
FD They Can't Take That Away From Me by Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong, Bang Bang; choreo by Karine Arribert-Narce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Ddl1BdefI

12 Marina ELIAS / Denis KORELINE EST 49.30 23.02 26.28 4.50 4.20 4.35 4.35 4.50 0.00 #4
FD Hip Hop medley; choreo by Lea Rand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8jWULHAQ3g

13 Anzhelika JURCHENKO / Vladimir BELIKOV UKR 47.38 25.80 23.58 4.00 3.90 3.70 4.15 3.90 2.00 #2
FD Maybe I, Maybe You by Scorpions, Fighting the Darkness by Primal Fear; choreo Fedorova
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnY8g8ksMyo

overall

FPl. Name Nation Points SD FD
1 Alla LOBODA / Pavel DROZD RUS 132.44 2 1
2 Madeline EDWARDS / Zhao Kai PANG CAN 129.62 1 2
3 Anastasia SHPILEVAYA / Grigory SMIRNOV RUS 121.42 3 4
4 Alexandra NAZAROVA / Maxim NIKITIN UKR 120.88 5 3
5 Chloe LEWIS / Logan BYE USA 112.06 7 5
6 Sarah Marine ROUFFANCHE / Geoffrey BRISSAUD FRA 109.34 4 8
7 Melinda MENG / Andrew MENG CAN 106.74 8 6
8 Emily DAY / Kevin LEAHY USA 106.40 6 7
9 Eugenia TKACHENKA / Yuri GULITSKI BLR 94.94 9 9
10 Julia WAGRET / Mathieu COUYRAS FRA 88.58 10 11
11 Marina ELIAS / Denis KORELINE EST 83.42 11 12
12 Sarah VADSKJAER GRAPEK / Malcolm JONES DEN 81.40 13 10
13 Anzhelika JURCHENKO / Vladimir BELIKOV UKR 79.62 12 13

IMO, Alexandra Nazarova and Madeline Edwards are getting too big for their partners. N/N's lifts were all of the low-to-the ice variety, and that can be very limiting. Some of E/P's lifts looked just plain awkward.

I believe Edwards & Pang may have lost some training time due to injury this summer, which may be affecting their lifts. I hope they look better at their next event.

I thought Lewis and Bye had a nice comeback in the FD. I was impressed with the high number of closed holds in that dance. It can use some finesse, but a great start!

Just checked videos and protocols... Edwards/Pang were gourgeous: loved their smooth (Canadian ) skating skills, the fluidity and the joy that the program expressed, but in a mature way. Loboda/Drozd were good, too, and I appreciated the choreography, how well the spin went with the music, but some transitions (the one at the very end, for example) look still a bit too difficult for them... I think that they were judged very generously in the step sequences, though: the DiSt especially lacked speed and flow, there were a lot of flat edges and some turns looked very laboured, +2 seems a bit too much to me :think:
One big question mark: level 1 for both of E/P's step sequences, WHY?! They looked wonderful to me, especially the DiSt! Does anyone have any technical understanding of what happened there? (Because that was what basically made the difference between Gold and silver )

chuckm said:

IMO, Alexandra Nazarova and Madeline Edwards are getting too big for their partners. N/N's lifts were all of the low-to-the ice variety, and that can be very limiting. Some of E/P's lifts looked just plain awkward.

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I agree... ...I felt like N/N spent a lot of time low to the ice; and was a bit bummed (bc I like them). And during their programs, I noticed that she seemed taller to me...but then in their gala I didn't notice that quite so much...

Mrs.P Yes!!! I agree!!! :yay: L/B did have a nice comeback with their FD, which I quite like. I think they'll be fun to watch as the season progresses and they fine tune their programs.

Spilevaya/Smirnov are wow!!!! new faves.

I thought the Mengs' programs were really unusual, in a way that worked for me, but I wonder how others felt. So much good skating overall in this competition. Dance competition was really great here.

breathesgelatin said:

Spilevaya/Smirnov are wow!!!! new faves.

I thought the Mengs' programs were really unusual, in a way that worked for me, but I wonder how others felt. So much good skating overall in this competition. Dance competition was really great here.

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I enjoyed the Mengs' programs as well. I thought their FD costumes were

Thanks to a possibility to watch Junior Grand Prix live I have some questions touching new ISU rules…it looks mysterious for me in some moments.

1) During Nazarova & Nikitin’s SD samba part the music suddenly stopped and started to play after 8 seconds again. During Samba sequence every couple must keep edges in Key Points for some sort of beats (when music is playing and kids can hear it). Althought the couple already made mistakes until that moment, I think that music interuption caused another loss of points thanks to no Key points matched (Level 1 for Samba sequence)… but what should be done correctly? Music problems could be caused by a problem in music set – which would be not the mistake of Ukraine kids. Shouldn’t referee stop them and allowed them to repeat from the part of music interruption?

The same problem in music happened to Canadian couple who finished second finally, even twice during FD, but fortunately it happened in moments which didn’t lead to any major mistake (and an interruption was much shorter). I didn’t find any notice about such situation (not necessarily caused by skaters) and how to solve it in ISU rules….


2) Second question is thanks to young promising Russian couple Anastazia Spilevaya & Grigory Smirnov, who won their first JGP medal (skating their first JGP). I watched them more times especially their unusual Twizzles. The couple performed the same twizzles in both SD and FD, in SD they got level 3, in FD level 4. I am curious what caused Level 4 call in FD.

Criterias of Level 4:
Different entry edge and different direction of rotation of the two Twizzles AND
At least 4 rotations in each of the two Twizzles AND
At least 3 different Additional Features (at least 1 of which being a Difficult Additional Feature) from 3 different Groups
The couple had different entry edge in two Twizzles.

The couple executed four turns in every set of Twizzles, but looking at note touching turns - A chosen Additional Feature from Groups A and B shall be considered for a Level if it is fully achieved and established:
- within the first half rotation of the Twizzle, and
- held until the number of rotations needed for that Level is fully completed (2 rotations for Level 2, 3 rotations for Level 3, 4 rotations for Level 4).
Nastya and Grigory kept the position of up and downs in knees in first set of Twizzles for three turns, the position in second set of Twizzles almost four turns, the position of third set of Twizzles with keeping the free leg was kept for three turns. So fully suficient for Level 3, but not for Level 4.

Looking for Additional Features from 3 different groups…they met - straight arms clasped in front and extended away from the body from Group A, changing the level of the skating leg (knee) with a continuous motion from Group B, but I didn’t find any Feature from Group C, because they didn’t performed in an opposite direction and they didn’t have a jump entry and they had the same edge entry like in first twizzle (if they had a different entry edge in third set of Twizzles – the Feature could be confirmed then).

Does anyone know? Thanks for answer.

yes could anyone explain why Edwards/Pang got such low technical scores? Is it their lfts? step sequences? I'm in love with Maddie and ZhaoPai and really want them to be contenders for this year's WJC!

cocofeliz said:

yes could anyone explain why Edwards/Pang got such low technical scores? Is it their lfts? step sequences? I'm in love with Maddie and ZhaoPai and really want them to be contenders for this year's WJC!

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It is their step sequences that received levels 1, there's probably some problem with them...