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beebee51

On the Ice
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Jan 19, 2005
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I'm wondering why Madison's very obvious stumble on first set of double twizzles in the footwork was not properly penalized. The stumble should have reduced the Level by one and earned negative GOEs. They got a Level 3 on footwork, but, to be sure, it is highly, highly unlikely they were going to earn Level 4 on that footwork, if error free. I also don't recall any negative GOEs on footwork.

The Shibs attempted to capture a Latin flavor. I detected no such attempt on the part of C/B.

Hadn't thought about Ponomarenko's link to Shpilband. But now that it's been mentioned, it is somewhat unseemly for Ponomarenko's to serve as Asst. Technical Controller because of Shpilband's coaching relationship with Anthony.

AFAIK, the Asst. Controller has virtually as much authority as the Controller.
 

sisinka

Medalist
Joined
Nov 25, 2006
Re timing: you have to be very careful commenting on timing issues unless you are at the event live. Especially if you are viewing streaming video, the audio and video are very seldom in synch at all.

It is quite shocking that even some television broadcasters do not trouble to synchronize their audio and video signals very well. Internet streamers do not even try, and the interruptions in transmission do not make the situation better. A transmision which is in synch to start may go out of synch when there is a glitch in transmission.

I hope we will have British Eurosport videos fairly soon. They often do a pretty good job with synchronization, particularly when the broadcast is not a live broadcast.

I was careful.
All three teams I watched were out of the rhythm hardly and then sudennly kept the rhythm for some seconds and then once again fell out of the rhythm. The same for timing of big gestures into beats of music - sometimes to the rhythm, sometimes out the rhythm. This is not problem of broadcasting when parts of keeping the rhythm and not keeping the rhythm are changing during one routine.
 

Tallorder

On the Ice
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Oct 28, 2014
Would you you prefer Judy Blumberg or Maurizio Margaglio, who are employed from time to time by Team Zueva?

In this case, Ponomarenko was the assistant technical specialist the least powerful member of the panel."


Doris, you are one of the most dutifully helpful members of this board. Your insights and input are helpful and always welcome.

However, with all due respect, the statement you make so sharply, is NOT entirely correct.

Judy Blumberg has never been employed by either Zoueva or Shpilband. She has on occassion coached skaters, and in fact the only team currently competing at an elite level (albeit still Juniors) are Chloe Lewis & Logan Bye, who are actually now under the primary coaching of Igor Shpilband.

It would be disappointing to see an incorrect association propagated.

It is correct that Maurizio Margaglio has been a mmber of Zoueva's group. He is currently head of the Finnish Skating program and primarily guides the top Ice Dance teams from Finland. That group seems to have spent several summers training in Canton, and Margaglio has stood at the boards with Zoueva at major events incluing last year's World championshios.
 

Matt K

On the Ice
Joined
Oct 3, 2013
Judy Blumberg has indeed worked with Davis/White, while she was a ISU technical specialist, as recently as last season.

http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2013/08/27/58610472

In performing Scheherazade, Davis and White follow in the footsteps of Judy Blumberg and Michael Seibert, their fellow five-time U.S. champions who interpreted the music at the 1984 Sarajevo Olympics, where they placed fourth. Later that season, they won their second of three world bronze medals.

Blumberg, an ISU technical specialist, was on hand at last week's Champs Camp in Colorado Springs, Colo., and also visited Davis and White at their training home in Canton, Mich.

"She was able to come to the rink several weeks ago," Davis said. "We were honored by her positive feedback."

So yes, Judy Blumberg was employed to help D/W.
 

Astrid56

Final Flight
Joined
Oct 24, 2014
I'm wondering why Madison's very obvious stumble on first set of double twizzles in the footwork was not properly penalized. The stumble should have reduced the Level by one and earned negative GOEs. They got a Level 3 on footwork, but, to be sure, it is highly, highly unlikely they were going to earn Level 4 on that footwork, if error free. I also don't recall any negative GOEs on footwork.

The Shibs attempted to capture a Latin flavor. I detected no such attempt on the part of C/B.

Hadn't thought about Ponomarenko's link to Shpilband. But now that it's been mentioned, it is somewhat unseemly for Ponomarenko's to serve as Asst. Technical Controller because of Shpilband's coaching relationship with Anthony.

AFAIK, the Asst. Controller has virtually as much authority as the Controller.

Alex did the most representative 'behavior' associated with a matador (in a dance form). Evan did a very good symbolic movement of a matador - in fact, he displayed the matador's temperament in many different ways. What was obvious was his intent to show the matador in its different stances - not just its arrogance but its masterful behavior in a bullfight. Evidently, Madison functioned both as a flamenco dancer ... as well as the cape _ when she swirled in the end, her skirt mirrored how the cape looked when the matador swirled it around signifying its intent to conquer the bull. They skated a multi-faceted paso-doble which was so entertaining. I am glad they dared to be different .... not just do the expected....
 

Tallorder

On the Ice
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Oct 28, 2014
Judy Blumberg has indeed worked with Davis/White, while she was a ISU technical specialist, as recently as last season.


So yes, Judy Blumberg was employed to help D/W.

Wow. This is like those eSURANCE commercials where someone, unaware of their cluelessness insists on their point of view; then another person says "that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works"

Judy Blumberg is not EMPLOYED by Zoueva or any skater or coach to work with them, either at Champs Camp or during the season. The federations, in this case USFS, commonly have top international judges and technical specialists interact with athletes, either at the training camp of the athlete or (in the case of Champs Camp, in Colorado Springs.). The federation is the one who is engaging the judge or technical specialist on behalf of their athlete. The coach is not PAYING the judge or specialist, and neither is the athlete.

This is COMMON and ACCEPTED practice. It is done by all of the major federations. There are specific guidelines which are in place to make sure that a given judge or specialist does not work with an athlete, if they are all to be judging/calling/competing at the same event within a certain number of days in advance.

The point of clarification here is that there is no FINANCIAL incentive creating a conflict of interest. That is obviously NOT the case with Ponomarenko and Shpilband, where there are multiple, obvious personal and financially framed conflicts of interest.

The suggestion made somewhat surprisingly (though I sense distemper) Doris, which I found quite disappointing, implied that it was a matter of merely chosing a different set of conflicts of interests (what was implied was that I would 'prefer' someone who would have a conflict of interest with Zoueva instead).

That COMPLETELY MISSES the point, and I'm surprised and disappointed that the suggestion was made.

The POINT is that there should be an effort to AVOID explicit conflicts of interest.

Once again, it would appear unfortunately that when it comes to the ethics of some people within the skating community/officials, "that's not how they think it should work" and I think that sucks for the athletes and only erodes what little credibility remains for the sport.
 

dorispulaski

Wicked Yankee Girl
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Jul 26, 2003
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United-States
The point I was trying to make was that there are very few elite level tech experts in any country. In every country, those people work with skaters. The biggest conflict this season I've seen is Hilary Selby at Coupe de Nice rather Ponomarenko at SkAm.
 
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