2015 Mordovian Ornament General Chat15-18 Oct , Saransk, Russia

Ice Dance · Sep 21, 2015

Yes, I agree. They toured & committed to the season late so they were playing catchup. As I said, programs & performance are the most important. No argument there.

Alba · Sep 22, 2015

Ice Dance said:
Hubbell & Donahue aren't assigned to Finlandia (though it would be a more interesting match-up). Hawayek & Baker are the U.S. team there. IMO, the real competition is at Ondrej Nepela, where I&Z were originally scheduled to compete before they withdrew. Hubbell & Donahue were originally listed for Ondrej Nepela--along with the Shibs, Gilles & Poirier, and Coomes & Buckland; but H&D aren't on the list anymore. Apparently they weren't ever listed there on the U.S. assignment site so I'm not sure if they withdrew or should have been listed as substitutes from the start.

Sorry, my mistake. I saw their names (H&D USA) but they're as subs. I&Z didn't withdraw from Nepala either. I don't know why their names were put there (I would've been glad to see them there tbh) but they never had plans about Nepala.

I have a lot of respect for teams that go out and face high-level competition early in the season. I also think it's smart to get out there and get real feedback on your programs before a GP debut. Just don't think doing it internally is wise for a federation with two teams gunning for the same high rankings. If I was B&S, I wouldn't want to go up against the Shibs as Russia's number 2 and likewise for I&Z facing C&L in China. No matter how temporary that number two position. I'm not saying it wouldn't be insurmountable. The programs and performance are always more significant. But this is dance. All things not being equal, it helps to be your country's number one.

It could help one of these two teams to hold those bragging rights early in the season. But I don't see it helping the strength of the larger Russian team in general. (Just as I don't see that it helped USFSA last season. They had Chock & Bates designated #1 right off the bat; and when C&B had problems at the GPF--where both teams should have met, the Shibs seemed to have no chance of outscoring them. Even though C&B had a fall and the Shibs outscored everyone else in the short throughout the season). These are two teams who finished back to back at the Olympics the season before so I think the comparison is a reasonable one for B&S and I&Z. Why not send both teams out into the field & see where they land? And--as I said--make the judges work.

Shibs though had difficulties with levels up to Nationals. They got some level 2 during the entire mid-season and that didn't help either. You know how it is, get high levels and PCS goes higher regardless. I do understand your point though and I agree. I do understand the choice from these couples point of view but I don't get the FED's strategy.

p.s. Oups sorry, I just saw that chameleon made the point about the Shibs.

Ice Dance · Sep 22, 2015

No problem. That original list for Nepela was too good to be true. It's still deep, even with the removal of three of the teams that were on it.

The Shibs did have higher levels in the short at Four Continents than Chock & Bates. Didn't place above them. (The Shibs and I&Z both had higher levels in the short than P&C at Worlds, and neither team placed above P&C there).

Alba · Sep 23, 2015

Ice Dance said:
The Shibs did have higher levels in the short at Four Continents than Chock & Bates. Didn't place above them. (The Shibs and I&Z both had higher levels in the short than P&C at Worlds, and neither team placed above P&C there).

Yeah, I know. I would've placed both couples Shibs and I&Z above P&C in the short myself.

Ice Dance · Sep 23, 2015

I might have as well. The free dance has always had more weight in the final standings than the short, which is fine. But it always drives me nuts when a strong short is overlooked because another team has a stronger free (and when a weakness in a short is ignored because a team has a strong free). I know many people disagreed, but I felt Worlds in 2014 was one of the best judged dance competitions because the short programs were truly scored according to the level of performance & quality. I am glad, though, to see changes in rankings between the short & the free programs in many of the competitions since the Olympics.

MK's Winter · Sep 23, 2015

Alba said:
Yeah, I know. I would've placed both couples Shibs and I&Z above P&C in the short myself.

That is what I would have done as well.

Alba · Sep 24, 2015

Ice Dance said:
I might have as well. The free dance has always had more weight in the final standings than the short, which is fine. But it always drives me nuts when a strong short is overlooked because another team has a stronger free (and when a weakness in a short is ignored because a team has a strong free). I know many people disagreed, but I felt Worlds in 2014 was one of the best judged dance competitions because the short programs were truly scored according to the level of performance & quality.

Agreed!:thumbsup:

I am glad, though, to see changes in rankings between the short & the free programs in many of the competitions since the Olympics.

Yep. We might enjoy it as long as it lasts.

pororocheburashka · Oct 6, 2015

Only 9 ladies (single):scratch: competing there?
In Graz they are 35 on the list ... :party2:

pororocheburashka · Oct 6, 2015

Ladies Entries in order of Personal Best

1. Adelina SOTNIKOVA RUS 224.59
2. Anna POGORILAYA RUS 197.50
3. Maria ARTEMIEVA RUS 177.21
4. Dasa GRM SLO 150.32
5. Anastasia GALUSTYAN ARM 148.63
6. Katarina KULGEYKO ISR 139.50
7. Deimante KIZALAITE LTU 125.38
8. Aiza MAMBEKOVA KAZ 104.11
9. Fruzsina MEDGYESI HUN 99.45

Diana PERVUSHKINA RUS is the only substitute.

silverfoxes · Oct 6, 2015

pororocheburashka said:
Only 9 ladies (single):scratch: competing there?
In Graz they are 35 on the list ...

Probably a little easier to travel to Graz for most people outside of Russia...and you'd have to be very brave (or have little to lose) to volunteer to challenge Russian ladies on their home turf, I think.

Ice Dance · Oct 6, 2015

gallavich said:
you'd have to be very brave (or have little to lose) to volunteer to challenge Russian ladies on their home turf, I think.

True. It worked out pretty well, though, for Rika Hongo and Alaine Chartrand last season.

AlexRus · Oct 6, 2015

gallavich said:
Probably a little easier to travel to Graz for most people outside of Russia...and you'd have to be very brave (or have little to lose) to volunteer to challenge Russian ladies on their home turf, I think.

Only a little easier - there will be charter flight from Moscow to Saransk before and from Saransk to Moscow after competitions.

Three Russian Ladies in Saransk or two and Nagasu in Graz - it makes no difference for mid-level European Ladies.

pororocheburashka · Oct 6, 2015

AlexRus said:
Only a little easier - there will be charter flight from Moscow to Saransk before and from Saransk to Moscow after competitions.

Three Russian Ladies in Saransk or two and Nagasu in Graz - it makes no difference for mid-level European Ladies.

Wow a charter flight before/after the competition ... really? :yes: ... organisation :rock:

.
Usually a long train ride (by the way I :love:

to travel with Russian night trains) would do the job.

AlexRus · Oct 6, 2015

pororocheburashka said:
Wow a charter flight before/after the competition ... really? :yes: ... organisation .

Yes. Info from announcement.

pororocheburashka said:
Usually a long train ride (by the way I to travel with Russian night trains) would do the job.

Yes. Train from Moscow (9:34 PM) to Saransk (7:05 AM). One night. From Saransk to Moscow - about the same times.

Charter directly from/to Sheremetievo airport may be more convenient for foreign skaters ad officials.

AlexRus · Oct 7, 2015

Vera BAZAROVA / Andrei DEPUTAT will miss Mordovian Ornament

Vera BAZAROVA is ill, now she is in hospital.

http://izvmor.ru/news/view/2486791
7 Oct 2015 15:00

tulosai · Oct 7, 2015

AlexRus said:
Vera BAZAROVA is ill, now she is in hospital.

http://izvmor.ru/news/view/2486791
7 Oct 2015 15:00

Oh wow I am sorry to hear she is so ill!!! I hope they will still be able to compete on the GP...

dorispulaski · Oct 7, 2015

Any word on what her diagnosis is?

tulosai · Oct 8, 2015

dorispulaski said:
Any word on what her diagnosis is?

I have been looking but nothing seems to say yet- I have found a few articles out there in Russian but they all just say what the article posted above does, that she is in the hospital so they can't compete. I will let you know if I do see anything else and am sure others will do the same :shrug:

tulosai · Oct 8, 2015

Vera is okay. It is an (seemingly relatively minor) ankle injury (possibly from over-training) and they still believe they can do the GPs. She will be back to practice tomorrow.

http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/22553.html

Thanks to AlexRus for the article.

dorispulaski · Oct 12, 2015

Any word on whether there will be a detailed results page, or livestreaming?

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