2015 Mordovian Ornament Ladies SP and Free Skate
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Love Artemieva too
She has very nice movementWait, Didn't Sotnikova pull off a giant Flip in the SP here?
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People may feel offended, but it doesn't excuse rude behavior. It shouldn't be so hard to stay respectful even if you are disagreed with. On both sides, really.
This. Thank you.
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Love Artemieva too
She really has nice movements and nice edges also. She's smooth and I like that. I'm afraid she's not very much tv friendly because I was surprised myself when I saw her live. I didn't thought of her before.
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People here are getting so emotional that they even ignored some proper sense of reason and good manners. Since it is only a very small competition, why take its results that seriously? Some critics just sound like sour grapes, which is not good to see.
I would call it Russophobia.I think you need to look up the dictionary term of xenophobia.
Why don't you focus on the which part you disagree with my post? Stick to the debate, if there's one
Please follow the entire thread. This is about how PCS is awarded in Russia relative to the whole world outside Russia. It has nothing to do with Anna, Ashley, Satoko. The results are in black and white and speaks for itself.
What I don't like about the current scoring system is this whole world record / season's best thing. Because of all the rule changes the world records are irrelevant imho and certain panels are stricter than others. I don't mind as long as the judging for one event is reasonable. I was always fine with the fact that Kostner (and Chan) got huge PCS, she was (is?) in a league of her own. Adelina is improving (and wasn't bad to begin with). Mao's great, her steps at JO were even lighter than I've seen her do them before, she's a little different than the other top skaters when it comes to SS in that regard. But somehow I think that the judges look more at the sheer speed (just compare Yuna's to Mao's PCS over the years) than at the more intricate things.
Anyway, the rightful winner in this competition is Anna, so let's cheer for her!
This competition counts towards SB/PB lists, perhaps that's why some people are peeved with the (very obvious, IMO) inflation.
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I would call it Russophobia.
What I don't like about the current scoring system is this whole world record / season's best thing. Because of all the rule changes the world records are irrelevant imho and certain panels are stricter than others. I don't mind as long as the judging for one event is reasonable. I was always fine with the fact that Kostner (and Chan) got huge PCS, she was (is?) in a league of her own. Adelina is improving (and wasn't bad to begin with). Mao's great, her steps at JO were even lighter than I've seen her do them before, she's a little different than the other top skaters when it comes to SS in that regard. But somehow I think that the judges look more at the sheer speed (just compare Yuna's to Mao's PCS over the years) than at the more intricate things.
Anyway, the rightful winner in this competition is Anna, so let's cheer for her!
Ohhh plzz.... anyone just need to my long history everywhere to know I am hardly Russianphobic, that would probably make the Russian family adopted me like a daughter very upset
. BTW it is not the first time i have been called hater of xxx just because I strongly disagreed with judging and unfairly propped up skaters, no matter who. You look at 4 triples Liza scored of 61 PCS today vs 4 triples Adelina (with generous tech call on her flutz) received 71.84 PCS today, so why should anyone be fine with it? And most importantly, why should anyone be offended when people point out such ridiculousness?To set the record straight. It is more correct to say I am PCS BS phobic, and nationalistic judging phobic.
I hope for the day when skaters can skate independent of federation politics and simply represent themselves. I never understood why people are fine with inflation AT ALL. It is precisely these sort ridiculousness that makes figure skating a joke of a sport. Afterall, it is not like you can inflate TES on a relative basis is it? Why are people be so short sighted and not able to see the consequences of ANY inflation is BAD over time, that really there should be ZERO TOLERANCE for this sort of scoring, as it always leads to an unfair field disadvantage for all other skaters who did not participated in the inflation, and false momentum and cushion building for the said skater.
These judges may say on OFFICIAL ISU RECORD that 4 triples Adelina with a flutz is better than great 7/8 triple Mao/Liza with 3As, and Anna with great legit 3lz3t 7 triples clean programs, it doesn't mean fans like myself who cares great deal about the legitimacy of PCS should put up with it.
But she still lost, did not set any PB records. So what is this about?
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The score should have been:
Anna:
SP: 66-67, the Lutz combo was a little forced, without that it would've been 68-69.
LP: Mid 130s: A TES of 70 is fine with me, absolutely NO errors on jumps. PCS should've been around 65 ish...
Adelina:
SP: 68-69
LP: Should've been a little higher than JO but not that high, maybe like a 118-120 (120 is a little generous).
Anna:
SP: 66-67, the Lutz combo was a little forced, without that it would've been 68-69.
LP: Mid 130s: A TES of 70 is fine with me, absolutely NO errors on jumps. PCS should've been around 65 ish...
Adelina:
SP: 68-69
LP: Should've been a little higher than JO but not that high, maybe like a 118-120 (120 is a little generous).
This was not specifically about Adelina, both she and Anna were gifted on PCS. It's mostly about not-so-subtle overscoring in a competition that is now part of the Challenger series.
Btw, this is Adelina's PB SP: 75.57 17.10.2015 ISU CS Mordovian Ornament 2015
ETA: The performances themselves (Anna and Adelina's SP, Anna's LP) were very good. I was just trying to point out a possible reason for the PCS discussion that goes beyond what you and others perceive as attacks on Russian skaters.
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These scores have really gotten out of control, like you don't even need to compare them to skaters who aren't here in this particular competition, in what world is Anna's SS 0.15 points behind Adelina's for starters
These are massive scores, like even Carolina Kostner's Worlds 2014 FS wasn't as gifted as Adelina's here. So generous of these judges, this is not a minor event, it counts towards PB/SB.
These are massive scores, like even Carolina Kostner's Worlds 2014 FS wasn't as gifted as Adelina's here. So generous of these judges, this is not a minor event, it counts towards PB/SB.
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Sorry, but I'm not buying what you're selling. This was an ISU sanctioned, international event. That it was scored as if it were some podunk local or internal competition is exactly the problem. As others have said, because it was a Challenger event, the skaters who received these very inflated scores will get an unfair boost on the SB list, likely passing skaters who earned their SB scores at more responsibly judged competitions.
I understand that figure skating is a sport judged by human beings, with a great deal of subjective evaluation involved. I don't get my panties in a wad every time a homey skater gets a little "thank you for hosting the competition" bonus. However, I believe the home cooking went too far at Mordovian Ornament. As a skating fan, I am very disillusioned that this sort of thing happens, that it is always swept under the rug, and that no one is ever held accountable. It makes me question why I even bother to follow the sport.
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I would agree with you if I would've seen the same anger when C&L got +72 ridiculous scores in Lombardia Trophy last season, which was part of Challenger series and I have seen PB and overscoring in Zagreb as well. It doesn't matter if they are skaters from powerful federations or not, and it doesn't matter if it's towards skaters who are not in the race for the podium. An overscoring is overscoring for everybody and that's how you climb up the ranking.
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Anna's FS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDlLQhl4F5M
Same day Liza's FS in Nice (France) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcV42cwdaRQ score 120.11
Did Anna deserve about 20 points higher score than Liza?
So, yes, inflation of scores.
But it is not a problem of Mordovian Ornament or Russia, it is total problem.
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