2015 NHK Mens Short Program

Mrs. P · Nov 27, 2015

carmen7077 said:
Everybody is talking like hanyu is really way 'older' than 'young' skaters like shoma and Jin.

But he is really just in his very early 20s. Like he said before, they are of "the same generation" (kind of).

Kind of shocked (though I know he is just 20)

Here's how I'd group them. It's sort of a rough estimate.

So those who grew up as seniors during the 2006-2010 Olympiad: Takahito Kozuka, Patrick Chan, Sergei Voronov, Jeremy Abbott, et. al.

Then those rising seniors during the 2010-2014 Olympiad: Yuzuru, Denis Ten, Florent Amodio, Michel Brezina, Adam Rippon, Takahito Mura. Max Aaron, Jason Brown, Joshua Farris, Han Yan and Maxim Kovtun debuted toward the later end of that Olympiad.

And now the rising seniors of the 2014-2018 Olympiad: Nam Nguyen, Adien Pitkeev, Alexander Petrov, Boyang Jin and Shoma Uno.

I know I"m missing a bunch of people...but I can see why Yuzuru is considered "older" than Boyang and Shoma.

Jombi · Nov 27, 2015

Ice Dance said:
I find it interesting he was only in 5th after the short at Junior Worlds where there were expectations for him.

You have to take into account the fact that in juniors' SP quads aren't allowed. So IMO too many expectations could not be the reason of that 5th place finish.

Blades of Passion · Nov 27, 2015

apple123 said:
Does anyone think Hanyu's new sp didn't sell the Chopin piece? Technically he's brilliant, but I just don't feel the connection between his program and the music. All I remember is his jumps. It's really a shame.

The updated choreography isn't made for the music, unfortunately. It's totally focused on delivering quads.

Opening that program with the sandwich spread eagle 3Axel was so perfect. It's too bad he's never delivered a clean program when skating it like that. We'll never get to see that version.

It's great that Hanyu just did his strongest technical SP ever, though. Hopefully his SP next season and the Olympic season are able to have more musicality since the quads will already be planned.

gmyers · Nov 27, 2015

More variety and more quads done here than all of Vancouver Olympics it seems. Amazing!

Interspectator · Nov 27, 2015

The spins for Yuzu's SP here were the best I've seen ever in terms of hand and arm variations. He's still at one with the music while delivering the quads and 3As.

Whan talking about adding the extra quad Yuzu said, " I told Brian I'm going to do it. And I did it."
:agree:
Here's an interesting thing to think about: What causes splatfests? or rather, What will cause more super competitions with few splats?
We have seen that the guys CAN go for the quads without falling all over the place, but it's not happening enough.
Is it the atmosphere? A well organized event? Good ice? Japan? I want more non-splat events. Please and thank you! :biggrin:

LRK · Nov 27, 2015

Interspectator said:
The spins for Yuzu's SP here were the best I've seen ever in terms of hand and arm variations. He's still at one with the music while delivering the quads and 3As.

Whan talking about adding the extra quad Yuzu said, " I told Brian I'm going to do it. And I did it."
:agree:
Here's an interesting thing to think about: What causes splatfests? or rather, What will cause more super competitions with few splats?
We have seen that the guys CAN go for the quads without falling all over the place, but it's not happening enough.
Is it the atmosphere? A well organized event? Good ice? Japan? I want more non-splat events. Please and thank you!

Well, those things didn't help the ladies...

But I agree with you, and wish to see more events like this one - and now we have this to point to and say; "Hey, look - it is possible!"

Interspectator · Nov 27, 2015

From the press Conference on the subject of the necessity of 2 quads in the SP
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2015/11/27/158301258

Hanyu was asked if he thought that trying two quads in the short was going to become the norm rather than the exception.

"Not everyone can do two quads in the short program, and that is due to their style of skating," Hanyu said. "If someone has one quad with good spins and good steps, like Takahito, I think he still can be very competitive. I was able to score over 100 when I only did one quad."

Mura agreed.

He said, "A skater like Jason Brown didn't do quad, but he had good component marks and earned high GOE (Grade of Execution) with his good quality triple jumps. I agree with Hanyu, that it will depend on a skater's style."

andromache · Nov 27, 2015

Interspectator said:
From the press Conference on the subject of the necessity of 2 quads in the SP
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2015/11/27/158301258

It's nice to see how complimentary Hanyu is to his teammate Mura for NOT doing two quads and still having nice parts of his skating, and to Jason too! (Couldn't tell from the quote if Hanyu or Mura complimented Jason, but either way, still nice!)

It's great to see the quad squad appreciative of skating aside from the quads and respectful towards the other elements their competitors do well. Very classy.

Interspectator · Nov 27, 2015

andromache said:
It's nice to see how complimentary Hanyu is to his teammate Mura for NOT doing two quads and still having nice parts of his skating, and to Jason too! (Couldn't tell from the quote if Hanyu or Mura complimented Jason, but either way, still nice!)

It's great to see the quad squad appreciative of skating aside from the quads and respectful towards the other elements their competitors do well. Very classy.

Yuzu mentioned Mura, Mura mentioned Jason. I agree. Very classy.

And elsewhere in the press conference, Yuzu thanked Jin and said 'I'm studying him' in reference to his quads, and Jin thanked Yuzu for the compliment.

Irrelephant · Nov 28, 2015

apple123 said:
Does anyone think Hanyu's new sp didn't sell the Chopin piece? Technically he's brilliant, but I just don't feel the connection between his program and the music. All I remember is his jumps. It's really a shame.

Yes! I still support him with all my heart, honestly! However, I prefer his previous Chopin program.

Irrelephant · Nov 28, 2015

Blades of Passion said:
The updated choreography isn't made for the music, unfortunately. It's totally focused on delivering quads.

Opening that program with the sandwich spread eagle 3Axel was so perfect. It's too bad he's never delivered a clean program when skating it like that. We'll never get to see that version.

It's great that Hanyu just did his strongest technical SP ever, though. Hopefully his SP next season and the Olympic season are able to have more musicality since the quads will already be planned.

I couldn't agree more.

MaxSwagg · Nov 28, 2015

I prefer the old Chopin but this one has some goodies too, like the Ina Bauer-counter turn-3A.

Interspectator · Nov 28, 2015

MAXSwagg said:
I prefer the old Chopin but this one has some goodies too, like the Ina Bauer-counter turn-3A.

and the zooming flow across the ice from the 4t-3t to the first spin! https://youtu.be/Sv2TBBf_aIg?t=1m35s

carmen7077 · Nov 28, 2015

'OMG!!!!
My hands are shaking!
Thrilled

2015 NHK Mens Short Program

Mrs. P

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