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Chan voices his opinion in quad quarrel

Taan

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Patrick Chan voices his opinion in quad quarrel: DiManno
The proliferation of the quad in figure skating just shows the sport is starting to lose its marbles, certainly its aesthetic-athletic balance, and Canadian champion Chan wants no part of it.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/skati...ices-his-opinion-in-quad-quarrel-dimanno.html
Chan went off on a bit of rant, bringing the subject up himself, yet he’s right. With reigning Olympic champion Yuzuru Hanyu already up to three Qs in the long and mulling the addition of a fourth, with China teenager Jim Boyang attempting six quads between his short and long at the Grand Prix final last month, the sport is starting to lose its marbles, certainly its aesthetic-athletic balance.
“It’s getting a little ridiculous,” says Chan. “It’s like the slam dunk contest, that’s what it’s becoming. Something’s gotta give.”
 

BlackAxel

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I guess things are getting a little ridiculous when you haven't put together a 2-quad and 2-3A long program yet? If Chan wants no part of the "proliferation of the quad" generation, then he might as well say goodbye to any chance of getting on top of the podium.
 
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:laugh: If you read the actual quotes from Patrick and the part that represents the columnist's views instead, it is pretty clear that it is Rosie Dimanno who is ranting, not Patrick.

I will save everyone the trouble of posting on this thread. I will do it for you.

Next post: Patrick is a bad boy.

Next post after that: Stop hating on Patrick

repeat. ;)
 

Meoima

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shiroKJ

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Lol Patrick of all people saying this is hilarious to me. His words before he got his quad, to after he got his quad, to after he first puts 2 quads in his LP, to during his time off in 2014-15, to after his loss in GPF, and now this. He doesn't know what he wants tbh, only what's most beneficial to him. :cool:
 

Bumdid

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I'm gonna save judgement because every time I actually see a video of Patrick talking, he actually comes off pretty well. But whenever he was quoted in the press, it always sound a bit pompous? Someone explain this phenomenon to me.
 

BlackAxel

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Patrick Chan's words:

"I will be dead honest, I think with my experience and credibility at this point, I can say already with the men doing three quads, the quality of skating is diminished .... This is why I'm really glad I'm not panicking about where I'm sitting internationally. Go ahead guys, go for it. Yuzu [Hanyu] and Javi [Fernandez, Spain's world champion] can fight it out. I like to just sit back and stay with my strategy, and we'll see how those guys unfold."
 

GermaricanMix

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I do agree that there definitely needs to be more to a skater than quads but since he started competing again Chan seems to constantly be implying that Fernandez and Hanyu are not artistic and that's really starting to bother me because it's not true.
 

xibsuarz

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:laugh: If you read the actual quotes from Patrick and the part that represents the columnist's views instead, it is pretty clear that it is Rosie Dimanno who is ranting, not Patrick.

I will save everyone the trouble of posting on this thread. I will do it for you.

Next post: Patrick is a bad boy.

Next post after that: Stop hating on Patrick

repeat. ;)

I was wondering what you meant. Then I read the article. You're so right, this is mostly Dimanno speaking. And she didn't even get the Winter Olympics year right, or Boyang's surname... :palmf:

Didn't Canadian and US Nationals provide enough entertainment this weekend?

I still think the guys are the top do find the balance between quads and the rest of the program but weeeell, that's just my opinion.
 
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Interspectator

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Aaagh. I had no self control I told myself I shouldn't get involved in this discussion because it would be pointless. Patrick is entitled to his opinion just like all of us but...

"People are getting excited because of the jumps, not because, wow, looking at the entire program and saying 'That's beautiful, that's a piece of art right there,"' Chan said. "Now it's 'Wow, did you see that quad [Salchow]? Smoked it.' Ok, but then what did he do after?"

https://youtu.be/USLUuaw0ZDU?t=1m5s What did he do after? a beauuutiful spread eagle, and after that another QUAD! Oh the shame of it! :shame:

Chan has had his hand in making the beast that is the multi-quad program. He was rightly proud of his work when he was landing 2 in his LP...suddenly when other skaters are doing 3 or 4 it's too much?
And he IS training the quad sal to put in in the future so the whole point he is trying to make is undermined.

I do like transitions into and out of jumps though. But Yuzu and Fernandez, whom Patrick mentioned are actually doing this...plus who is saying their programs aren't just as entertaining as other leading programs with less quads...Javi and Yuzu have two of the best sets of programs this season going by judges scores (to which the high-browed will turn up their noses) and also audience reaction, sports commentators and even the very same columnists who decry the rise of the quad.

BY the way, Chan's programs are great too, and his 3 quads have not harmed the programs at all.
 
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blue_idealist

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Patrick Chan's words:

"I will be dead honest, I think with my experience and credibility at this point, I can say already with the men doing three quads, the quality of skating is diminished .... This is why I'm really glad I'm not panicking about where I'm sitting internationally. Go ahead guys, go for it. Yuzu [Hanyu] and Javi [Fernandez, Spain's world champion] can fight it out. I like to just sit back and stay with my strategy, and we'll see how those guys unfold."

I know this isn't what he's saying, but it kind of sounds like he's saying he's okay with bronze lol.
 

MaxSwagg

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Sounds like he's being a sore loser. This is just more outrageous, disrespectful, hypocritical commentary from him. He could never do a spread eagle-4S-spread eagle, let alone a spread eagle-3A-spread eagle or rocker-3A...
 
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robredo40

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Seems to agree with me that Hanyu has no transitions in his long program, if hanyu had to do the footwork chan does he would barely be able the land a second quad and that`s a big if, that`s why he never gets level 4 for his step sequences like chan because he can`t so he loads up on quads the thing is when he misses them or falls the rest of his program falls flat i mean how many times do we need to see that ina bauer before it becomes boring.
 

Meoima

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Seems to agree with me that Hanyu has no transitions in his long program, if hanyu had to do the footwork chan does he would barely be able the land a second quad and that`s a big if, that`s why he never gets level 4 for his step sequences like chan because he can`t so he loads up on quads the thing is when he misses them or falls the rest of his program falls flat i mean how many times do we need to see that ina bauer before it becomes boring.
Sour grape fans' comments are always so funny to read. Should I send you some FS basic videos to identify the transitions before you trash skaters with your "immense knowledge" about transitions?
If Hanyu has no transitions in his programs, then no man has any transitions at all.
 
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MaxSwagg

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Seems to agree with me that Hanyu has no transitions in his long program, if hanyu had to do the footwork chan does he would barely be able the land a second quad and that`s a big if, that`s why he never gets level 4 for his step sequences like chan because he can`t so he loads up on quads the thing is when he misses them or falls the rest of his program falls flat i mean how many times do we need to see that ina bauer before it becomes boring.

Stop spreading blatant lies. Yuzuru Hanyu has more transitions in his programs than Patrick Chan. And he's doing it with a quality that Patrick can cannot do.
 

Pamigena

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I do agree that there definitely needs to be more to a skater than quads but since he started competing again Chan seems to constantly be implying that Fernandez and Hanyu are not artistic and that's really starting to bother me because it's not true.
Pretty much that.
And this is also what annoys me about those constant quad discussions on the forum. One group accuses the other of only being quad crazy and not caring about the rest, and the supposed "quad lovers" accuse the other group of only caring about artistry and not the athleticism or whatever. Quads are not a necessity, a program can be absolutely gorgeous without quads. But heaven forbid that someone thinks you can actually do both: do the darn quads but also don't forget about the rest that makes a program a program and not just a jump fest. At some point in time, somebody has to explain to me why one automatically excludes the other. And the fact that most skaters can't do both at the same time is not an argument in my book. If you can't do "artistry" + multiple quads, that's not the fault of the guy who can do it.
 

Meoima

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To those who keeps on ranting that Yuzuru "has no transitions", these are 2 articles written by a Russian tech specialist analysing Yuzuru's performance at NHK.
This tech specialist has pointed out how Yuzuru deserved the points he got at NHK, she event drew his steps sequence and explained every single turns he did.
For SP: http://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/dobroefk/864397.html
For LP: http://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/dobroefk/865667.html

PS: Sorry it's in Russian, however with some Google translate and a little knowledge of FS vocabulary, you can understand somewhat.
 
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