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    Gilles/Poirier step sequence chosen for CD

    https://www.facebook.com/16086272393...type=1&theater

    Congratulations to @pipergilles and @pauldpoirier ! It was apparently announced at SC #icesummit that part of their SD will become comp dance from #ISU
    I don't know what it excatly means, but I guess it's a huge honor!
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    that it awesome... apparently it would mean that part of their SD will be a new pattern ? wow!!!! YAY!!!! Being creative gets rewarded after all... not enough but it's a start. Love them!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by cathlen View Post
    https://www.facebook.com/16086272393...type=1&theater I don't know what it excatly means, but I guess it's a huge honor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cathlen View Post
    https://www.facebook.com/16086272393...type=1&theater I don't know what it excatly means, but I guess it's a huge honor!
    Does "comp dance" mean some sort of discontinued compulsory dance? I love their creative SD last season (with/out the Baroque music arrangement), so it is a really awesome news. What would be the name of the new dance? I'm curious.

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    Pattern dances are used as part of SD's and are separately competed internationally at the Novice Level.

    This is like when Rahkamo and Kokko's Finnstep was made a compulsory/pattern dance.

    This is very cool indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cathlen View Post
    https://www.facebook.com/16086272393...type=1&theater I don't know what it excatly means, but I guess it's a huge honor!
    This is very huge achievement if this is true. Apparently, that's what Alla Shekhovtseva has been talking about in her long big interview, which I posted in the beginning of the season here, and which was pretty much ignored on this board for some reason.
    According to her, the main GOAL of ISU when they decided to include this Partial Step Sequence in hold (PSt) instead of Not Touching Step Sequence was to give dance teams a chance to introduce their own patterns. So, I guess that's what just happened. And that was their best decision in years, I mean I like NtStSq, but it's the holds that make a dance difficult, AND it's the holds that make a dance a 'dance'.

    I rewatched their PSt from Worlds, and I have to say that despite I don't like their SD as a whole, I like the construction of their Partial Step Sequence in hold. It's very well balanced, difficult turns and steps are mixed with simple turns very good, so it doesn't looks empty in places like some other teams' PSt, and dance holds are variative enough and also spread through PSt very well (while some other teams mostly skate in one of the dance hold considered for level, and do other two for like a couple of seconds just to meet the requirements).

    They executed 7 difficult steps and turns each (all 6 types and one of the types twice, while only 5 types of difficult steps/turns are required for level 4): counter, rocker, double twizzle, outside mohawk, choctaw and two brackets. This is good, respectable and difficult thing to do, because ALL these steps and turns should be clean, not just 5 of them, to receive level 4.

    For example, Papadakis/Cizeron, Bobrova/Soloviev and Ilinykh/Zhiganshin are only doing 5 difficult steps/turns in their PSt (5 types), which is okay for level 4. And it's easier to get level 4 this way, because they need to cleanly execute only 5 difficult steps/turns, not 7 of them.
    Some teams (Stepanova/Bukin, for example) are doing 8 difficult steps/turns in their PSt, their weakness, however, is that they're mostly skate it in foxtrot hold (and variations), so not too much variety here. But it's not only about amount of difficult steps, but also about the quality of choreography, dance holds and transitional simple steps.

    So I guess it's a fair decision to somehow use parts of Gilles/Poirier partial step sequence for some kind of a new pattern. I see it as some kind of rock and roll, or something like that. IMO, it dosn't fit a 'march' pattern very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow63 View Post
    This is very huge achievement if this is true. Apparently, that's what Alla Shekhovtseva has been talking about in her long big interview, which I posted in the beginning of the season here, and which was pretty much ignored on this board for some reason.
    According to her, the main GOAL of ISU when they decided to include this Partial Step Sequence in hold instead of Not Touching Step Sequence was to give dance teams a chance to introduce their own patterns. So, I guess that's what just happened. And that was their best decision in years, I mean I like NtStSq, but it's the holds that make a dance difficult, AND it's the holds that make a dance a 'dance'.

    I rewatched their PSt from Worlds, and I have to say that despite I don't like their SD as a whole, I like the construction of their Partial Step Sequence in hold. It's very well balanced, difficult turns and steps are mixed with simple turns very good, so it doesn't looks empty in places like some other teams' PSt, and dance holds are variative enough and also spread through PSt very well (while some other teams mostly skate in one of the dance hold considered for level, and do other two for like a couple of seconds just to meet the requirements).

    They executed 7 difficult steps and turns each (all 6 types and one of the types twice, while only 5 types of difficult steps/turns are required for level 4): counter, rocker, double twizzle, outside mohawk, choctaw and two brackets. This is good, respectable and difficult thing to do, because ALL these steps and turns should be clean, not just 5 of them, to receive level 4.
    For example, Papadakis/Cizeron, Bobrova/Soloviev and Ilinykh/Zhiganshin are only doing 5 difficult steps/turns in their PSt (5 types), which is okay for level 4. And it's easier to get level 4 this way, because they need to cleanly execute only 5 difficult steps/turns, not 7 of them.
    Some teams (Stepanova/Bukin, for example) are doing 8 difficult steps/turns in their PSt, their weakness, however, is that they're mostly skate it in foxtrot hold (and variations), so not too much variety here. But it's not only about amount of difficult steps, but also about the quality of choreography, dance holds and transitional simple steps.

    So I guess it's a fair decision to somehow use parts of Gilles/Poirier partial step sequence for some kind of a new pattern. I see it as some kind of rock and roll, or something like that. IMO, it dosn't fit 'march' pattern very well.
    Rock and Roll would be cool. What I wouldn`t want though is to have again a pattern you can mix with a Waltz. Since the ISU introduced the SD, there were so many CDs that the teams could mix with a Waltz, that it feels like every other year we get a Waltz SD and it`s very boring. In that regard I`m glad they chose one of the more innovative Short Dances and not some uber traditional like Weaver/Poje`s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marta25 View Post
    Rock and Roll would be cool. What I wouldn`t want though is to have again a pattern you can mix with a Waltz. Since the ISU introduced the SD, there were so many CDs that the teams could mix with a Waltz, that it feels like every other year we get a Waltz SD and it`s very boring. In that regard I`m glad they chose one of the more innovative Short Dances and not some uber traditional like Weaver/Poje`s.
    The fact that I think Weaver/Poje's SD is the best SD of the season says something about me, I guess I'm getting old

    Edit: wrong smiley!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow63 View Post
    The fact that I think Weaver/Poje's SD is the best SD of the season says something about me, I guess I'm getting old

    Edit: wrong smiley!
    Lol. Well, I`m not a good judge regarding this year`s Short Dances. I hate Waltz. On and off ice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow63 View Post
    This is very huge achievement if this is true. Apparently, that's what Alla Shekhovtseva has been talking about in her long big interview, which I posted in the beginning of the season here, and which was pretty much ignored on this board for some reason.
    According to her, the main GOAL of ISU when they decided to include this Partial Step Sequence in hold (PSt) instead of Not Touching Step Sequence was to give dance teams a chance to introduce their own patterns. So, I guess that's what just happened. And that was their best decision in years, I mean I like NtStSq, but it's the holds that make a dance difficult, AND it's the holds that make a dance a 'dance'.

    I rewatched their PSt from Worlds, and I have to say that despite I don't like their SD as a whole, I like the construction of their Partial Step Sequence in hold. It's very well balanced, difficult turns and steps are mixed with simple turns very good, so it doesn't looks empty in places like some other teams' PSt, and dance holds are variative enough and also spread through PSt very well (while some other teams mostly skate in one of the dance hold considered for level, and do other two for like a couple of seconds just to meet the requirements).

    They executed 7 difficult steps and turns each (all 6 types and one of the types twice, while only 5 types of difficult steps/turns are required for level 4): counter, rocker, double twizzle, outside mohawk, choctaw and two brackets. This is good, respectable and difficult thing to do, because ALL these steps and turns should be clean, not just 5 of them, to receive level 4.

    For example, Papadakis/Cizeron, Bobrova/Soloviev and Ilinykh/Zhiganshin are only doing 5 difficult steps/turns in their PSt (5 types), which is okay for level 4. And it's easier to get level 4 this way, because they need to cleanly execute only 5 difficult steps/turns, not 7 of them.
    Some teams (Stepanova/Bukin, for example) are doing 8 difficult steps/turns in their PSt, their weakness, however, is that they're mostly skate it in foxtrot hold (and variations), so not too much variety here. But it's not only about amount of difficult steps, but also about the quality of choreography, dance holds and transitional simple steps.

    So I guess it's a fair decision to somehow use parts of Gilles/Poirier partial step sequence for some kind of a new pattern. I see it as some kind of rock and roll, or something like that. IMO, it dosn't fit a 'march' pattern very well.
    Snow, do you mean this link you posted here in the Russian Ice Dance thread? http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...=1#post1296358

    There's some translation that follows it.

    Here is a video of Gilles and Poirier's Partial Step Sequence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX9HIORL2YA#t=02m03s

    Sorry for the bad quality--this was the only one that had the music; but you get the idea.

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    Oh, hooray! I'm happy for them! I really liked that Partial Step Sequence at Worlds, especially with the music it was set to. Please tell me they're going to call it the Obla-dee

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    They probably had my favourite and most original partial step.
    Well, we wont have a new pattern next season (as its non touching step next season).

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    Yes, i can imagine their step making an excellent pattern dance- for junior level at least.

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    i doubt many junior teams would be able to handle its intricate design... this is interesting to me..... many seniors teams opt for simpler content

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    Congrats and props for Gilles / Poirier! Creativity meshed with difficulty gets recognized. I do wonder how ISU want to name it, there is Finnstep so maybe Canadianstep

    Quote Originally Posted by 4everchan View Post
    i doubt many junior teams would be able to handle its intricate design... this is interesting to me..... many seniors teams opt for simpler content
    BTW. Your comment made me wonder ... which is the most challenging compulsory pattern in ice dancing? Does anyone know? I read that Golden Waltz is one of the most difficult.
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    So happy to hear this. They've had such a tough season, having to rework this SD several times. Carol Lane must be over the moon. What a recognition of her choreography. I do wonder what this pattern will be called. Maybe P squared. (I joke.)

    Snow63 can we have you do more ice dance break downs next season? Those of us who aren't ice dance connoisseurs would love to know who's doing more work and who's doing less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Snow, do you mean this link you posted here in the Russian Ice Dance thread? http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...=1#post1296358

    There's some translation that follows it.

    Here is a video of Gilles and Poirier's Partial Step Sequence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX9HIORL2YA#t=02m03s

    Sorry for the bad quality--this was the only one that had the music; but you get the idea.
    Yes, it is! That's what she said about Partial Step Sequences:

    Surprise us

    ISU does not stop with its attempts to make Ice dance more spectacular and this is why there has been the regular attempt to give coaches and choreographers the chance to most vividly reveal their talents as choreographers and also reveal the individuality of their skaters. In particular, in the senior short dance this year there is not touching straight line step sequence. It has been replaced by the partial step sequence which enables skaters with the task to create their own original version of the pattern dance under the prescribed rhythm. The partial step sequence is a new element that was first introduced into the short dance last season will now be evaluated as a step sequence. Coaches are given complete freedom and all doors are open to them - please, create, smite, delight.
    If we go back to the era of ODs, we will remember that the list of pattern dances has been expanded by the inclusion with the best, in the opinion of the ISU technical committee, ODs and we hope to revive that tradition. Currently many of the pattern dances don't match the technical level of the athletes and need "restyling". Unfortunately, at the moment only a few performances can be called successful in this respect. To reach the level of P&G's Tango romantica and K&P's Golden waltz, the psychology of the skaters and the coaches has to change. It has to be understood that the pattern dance is not just an element but a dance within a dance in substance and it has to be treated not like an element but like a complete dance composition and the main task there is to express the character of the chosen rhythm through movement.
    Imagine the situation in which judges are tasked to identify the rhythm to which a given partial step sequence is set if the music is switched off. In the majority of cases this task would be impossible to complete. However, this situation probably won't present any difficulties to the judges in ballroom dance.


    Edit: big thanks to Lester for the quality translation
    Last edited by Snow63; 05-30-2016 at 02:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GF2445 View Post
    They probably had my favourite and most original partial step.
    Well, we wont have a new pattern next season (as its non touching step next season).
    That's not correct. Next season there will be both Partial Step Sequence in hold AND Not Touching Step Sequence. The difference is that next season PSt will be mixed with one section of blues pattern dance (steps #5 to #14), half a circle will be original Midnight blues pattern and the other half circle will be partial step sequence in hold (of Style B*), which should be skated immediately after a section of blues.

    Edit: so I guess they're aiming for improving Midnight blues pattern. Interesting By the way, with two step sequences next season BV of a perfect SD will sky rocket. I expect a lot of PBs and some 80+ scores.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mango View Post
    Snow63 can we have you do more ice dance break downs next season? Those of us who aren't ice dance connoisseurs would love to know who's doing more work and who's doing less.
    I wish I was an expert I'm not. Everyone can count the steps! And even see if they were executed on correct edges.
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    Ahhh. They were desperate to get Meryl and Charlie's Olympic SD score off the world record list

    Thanks for the great translation, Snow63 and Lester.

    And Congratulations to Carol Lane, Piper and Paul! Well done guys! And live, their SD was the dance of the evening for me at Worlds.

    Maybe it should be the Scarborough March or Mounties March?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Here is a video of Gilles and Poirier's Partial Step Sequence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX9HIORL2YA#t=02m03s

    Sorry for the bad quality--this was the only one that had the music; but you get the idea.
    There is fortunately HQ B ESP version on dailymotion: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x40ycl7 No talking throughout that step stequence. Enjoy! (It's in the OP of their FanFest if anyone ever wanted to comeback to watch ). And I'm with karne on the name. I really hope it will be some cool name doing the justice of this program

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    Noooo! The Obla-dee! The Obla-dee!!!!!!!!!!

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