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    [QUOTE=Alexz;1443064]There are more of those: http://youtu.be/AjFrHNVeBbU?list=PLr...Iz3gKuT5OtpPYU


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    Well maybe Canada will have a consistent ladies skater competitor for the first time since Joannie hung up her skates. I mean ...

    2011: Cynthia Phaneuf (retired)
    2012: Amelie Lacoste (didn't make Sochi)
    2013-14: Kaetlyn Osmond (didn't deliver at Sochi / worlds)
    2015-16: Gabby Daleman and Alaine Chartrand (alternating titles and placements)

    So there are some talented ladies for sure, but none have reached the heights we want or need. They need time to develop but we're halfway to the next OG and we should have a great lady with a killer instinct and deliver great results NOW if we want to be competitive. That assuming the team event is still on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Also Rodeghiero and Kostner are much older than Nikol, at ages 26 and 29, respectively. Russo is only a year younger. After 2018, things will open up quite a bit, me thinks.
    Nikol is better technically than Russo.
    She married an Italian, Sforza, former ice dancer, in January, I think. Hopefully this will help.
    I wish we can see her in some B competitions before next Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosy14 View Post
    Nikol is better technically than Russo.

    I wish we can see her in some B competitions before next Nationals.
    Normally, I would agree with that comment about the skating (hey, long-time big fan of Nikol here!) But, Giada Russo has taken a big step forward this season.

    For the past few years, Russo was only doing well in domestic competitions in Italy. She was not doing well in any of the international competitions she was entered into. The exact opposite of Rodegheiro, if you like, who was doing well internationally, but not domestically.

    But, this season, Russo really stepped up her efforts. Let's face it, she needed to, since she was Italian Champion, but Rodegheiro was the one getting all the recognition and plaudits. And boys but she did. Going from not qualifying for the FS (28th out of 38) to 14th in Europeans in just one season. And being on the podium in all but one of the Senior B's she did (and she was 6th in the other).

    At Nationals, you could see signs of Nikol's class coming through. But, she wasn't able to trouble the top 3 (Russo, Rodegheiro and Casella). I think her problem was simply that she was competition rusty. So, hopefully now that she has been officially released by Russia, she will get to do more competitions.

    Despite what I have just said, personally, I would still pick Gosviani as Italy's main hope for the post-Kostner/Rodegheiro era. Well, at least until Alessia Tornaghi is old enough! Then it will become a fascinating battle between 2 girls that have come through the Russian system.

    Quote Originally Posted by rosy14 View Post
    She married an Italian, Sforza, former ice dancer, in January, I think. Hopefully this will help.
    I don't think Nikol and Leo-Luca have quite got as far as getting married yet. They are definitely engaged, though.

    But Nikol's Permesso di Soggiorno (permission to stay) came through at the end of January (she put a photo of her card up on Facebook, but I'm not linking to it because she didn't cover up any of the codes). So, maybe that is what you are thinking of.

    Although, I did notice that it is only for one year - 9th December 2015 to 9th December 2016. So, maybe they will get married before that expires. I don't know.

    As I said before when I brought up their relationship last summer, Nikol and Leo-Luca are VERY loved up. Ever since he joined about a year ago, his Instagram account has been practically devoted to her!

    Now, forgive me if this is not appropriate, but I just spotted these photos (from way back in September), and thought they were, erm, interesting...

    "Crazy couple❤️ #mommysaythatwearesocool"
    "Normal ️is bored"
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    Future in Pairs...???

    I think I'll leave it there...

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    E. Mitrofanova to E.Tutberidze

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    Quote Originally Posted by rosy14 View Post
    Nikol is better technically than Russo.
    She married an Italian, Sforza, former ice dancer, in January, I think. Hopefully this will help.
    I wish we can see her in some B competitions before next Nationals.
    I agree that Nicol is potentially stronger in that regard. Her form is a big question mark though. I think that Italy can only benefit from having another strong contender from their country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roman09 View Post
    E. Mitrofanova to E.Tutberidze
    Good for her!!! She was one of my favorite juniors last season.

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    A.Trusova to E.Tutberidze

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    Tutberidze will soon need to clone herself. Not surprising that the senior skaters are leaving her. She is taking quite a lot new students and I think she can give everyone enough attention.

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    14yo Mitrofanova has been a bit unstable lately, 12yo Trusova on the other hand has been shining bright!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64iIaYCNM8Q

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    So apparently Anastasia Uldanova also joined Tutberidze group, and with that all the spots that were left empty earlier this year should be filled. Of all the new skaters Trusova appears the most interesting one. Her skating is still rough around the edges in many aspects, but she is very jumpy and skates with a lot of energy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnHFc5jajpU

    This Rippon Lutz and 2A into final position are particularly impressive:
    https://youtu.be/YnHFc5jajpU?t=122
    https://youtu.be/YnHFc5jajpU?t=162

    My only worry is that with 3 transfers last season coming from Tsareva (Shuboderova, Trusova, Uldanova), Tsareva's group will feel empty for a while.
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    Y.Kadyrova to Mishins

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    So that's four extra skaters going to Tutberidze. Trusova, Mitrofanova, Uldanova and one of the promising young boys (forgot which one but placed by well at this or last year's novice nationals). I wonder if she is going to start kicking unperspective students out of her group, or how she is going to split her time. She must have now over 20 students. In One of the past interviews she mentioned that she split them to two groups, but now it may be getting too many people even for two groups... Is the third group going to be skating overnight? Interesting that she has all those promising youngsters, but Medvedeva is the only succesful senior left there. I wonder how long she will last there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    So that's four extra skaters going to Tutberidze. Trusova, Mitrofanova, Uldanova and one of the promising young boys (forgot which one but placed by well at this or last year's novice nationals). I wonder if she is going to start kicking unperspective students out of her group, or how she is going to split her time. She must have now over 20 students. In One of the past interviews she mentioned that she split them to two groups, but now it may be getting too many people even for two groups... Is the third group going to be skating overnight? Interesting that she has all those promising youngsters, but Medvedeva is the only succesful senior left there. I wonder how long she will last there.
    Every new skater is just filling a spot left empty by somebody who left previously, so the overall size of the group didn't change. And if it wasn't a problem before why would it suddenly become one now? It's not like Tutberidze is doing everything by herself. Most of the technical stuff is taken care of by Dudakov, and recently joined Gleikhengauz is attending to juniors and providing some in-house choreography, plus there is an assortment of choreo and physical specialists available as the need arises. It was pretty clear that empty spots aren't going to stay empty for long. For every skater that wants out there's probably at least 10 that want in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pracygr View Post
    Every new skater is just filling a spot left empty by somebody who left previously, so the overall size of the group didn't change. And if it wasn't a problem before why would it suddenly become one now? It's not like Tutberidze is doing everything by herself. Most of the technical stuff is taken care of by Dudakov, and recently joined Gleikhengauz is attending to juniors and providing some in-house choreography, plus there is an assortment of choreo and physical specialists available as the need arises. It was pretty clear that empty spots aren't going to stay empty for long. For every skater that wants out there's probably at least 10 that want in.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    So that's four extra skaters going to Tutberidze. Trusova, Mitrofanova, Uldanova and one of the promising young boys (forgot which one but placed by well at this or last year's novice nationals). I wonder if she is going to start kicking unperspective students out of her group, or how she is going to split her time. She must have now over 20 students. In One of the past interviews she mentioned that she split them to two groups, but now it may be getting too many people even for two groups... Is the third group going to be skating overnight? Interesting that she has all those promising youngsters, but Medvedeva is the only succesful senior left there. I wonder how long she will last there.
    It's been discussed before. Tutberidze is not just one individual coach with few specialist in her team, who train just 5-10 athletes. She is a part of big sport school with impressive infrastructure and facilities, because many more other sports developed within this school. She is just a leading coach for their figure skating department. Unlike Buyanova or others who is having completely different system of training. Buyanova group is not a mass production, but boutique FS skills to polish skills and train individual skaters only for high-performance and top level competition. As for Sambo school it's basically a sport school for all ages from 7 upto 18 (graduation, highschool in US), for different skills level: from "health groups" (for kids whose parents don't want them pro-level athletes, but just to do sports and be active. You know kids these days with their tablets, video games etc) to groups with individually trained athletes. Surely in group of young kids everyone are trained en mass. With time parents whose kids seems not to have perspective in particular sport are usually frankly advised to try another sport within this school, based on biological and physical inclinations. And the talented ones are usually encouraged and advised to get more serious in training and dedication. If parents and kids want to follow sport career their life usually don't change, same educational school (within the same sport school) and same facilities, just better coaches, better conditions and more time for training. So eduction priorities are usually postponed to evening hours.

    There are a lot of students under Tutberidze's wing and she just cherry picking those she sees more potential. However she is having an eye on all students too, she just dedicates time to her students accordingly. It's extremely competitive environment in her team. Well certainly with a possibility to make an occasional mistake here or there or underperform for a season or two, but not a lot of chances would be given if an athlete is not bringing it home for too long. Underperforming athlete certainly can still stay and train within school, but it's logical that Tutberidze would dedicate less time to this athlete. Isn't it what sport is all about? From coaching perspective it is a simple goal: raising a champion and having a next genetion in the wings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexz View Post
    It's been discussed before. Tutberidze is not just one individual coach with few specialist in her team, who train just 5-10 athletes. She is a part of big sport school with impressive infrastructure and facilities, because many more other sports developed within this school. She is just a leading coach for their figure skating department. Unlike Buyanova or others who is having completely different system of training. Buyanova group is not a mass production, but boutique FS skills to polish skills and train individual skaters only for high-performance and top level competition.
    Functioning of such boutique has potential transfer drama in it's very basis.
    Looking from aside, one may say these groups could be supplementary - Tutberidze produces the mass (junior medalists), then Buyanova produces a final product (senior medalists) and everybody is happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pracygr View Post
    Every new skater is just filling a spot left empty by somebody who left previously, so the overall size of the group didn't change. And if it wasn't a problem before why would it suddenly become one now? It's not like Tutberidze is doing everything by herself. Most of the technical stuff is taken care of by Dudakov, and recently joined Gleikhengauz is attending to juniors and providing some in-house choreography, plus there is an assortment of choreo and physical specialists available as the need arises. It was pretty clear that empty spots aren't going to stay empty for long. For every skater that wants out there's probably at least 10 that want in.
    That's not true that every skater is just filling the spot of someone who left. I remember the time when Tutberidze had only seven skaters. It was the times before Lipnitskaya was on junior level. Then she had success with Lipnitskaya and suddenly she had 14 or 15 students. It gradually grew to of 20. There is a reason why her seniors are leaving. Voronov used to be so happy to skate with h, and then suddenly he started feeling that she doesn't care any more.
    After this season, two skaters left - Pitkeev and Voronov. She took on four more skaters. So how can you say that the numbers remain unchanged?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    That's not true that every skater is just filling the spot of someone who left. I remember the time when Tutberidze had only seven skaters. It was the times before Lipnitskaya was on junior level. Then she had success with Lipnitskaya and suddenly she had 14 or 15 students. It gradually grew to of 20. There is a reason why her seniors are leaving. Voronov used to be so happy to skate with h, and then suddenly he started feeling that she doesn't care any more.
    After this season, two skaters left - Pitkeev and Voronov. She took on four more skaters. So how can you say that the numbers remain unchanged?
    4 skaters have left - Sakhanovich, Lipnitskaya, Voronov, Pitkeev. 4 skaters have joined - Trusova, Uldanova, Mitrofanova, Frolov. The numbers look pretty equal to me. And I fail to see how the number of Tutberidze students many years ago is relevant to current discussion. We were talking specifically about 4 recent new members and as far as numbers go they didn't change anything.

    As for group size being the reason for skaters leaving - it's an unnecessary simplification of a set of much more complicated cases. Sakhanovich specifically wouldn't even leave if it was up to her, and nobody other than Voronov mentioned lack of attention as a problem. So it's not so simple, and for the purpose of this thread it's a bit off topic too.

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