2016 JGP Ljubljana Cup Ladies FS

Biellmann said:

Marin is growing fast, ofc she has jump problems. I can't wait to se these russian girls, who are Eteri's students, next year and how their jumps will look like :confused2:

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no problems at all so far for Evgenia.

In my opinion Marin's jumps seem to be stronger in general than they were last year. I remember being worried about how just barely there some of them seemed at JGPF and Junior Worlds, but so far she seems to be getting more height and more rotation on them.

jeff goldblum said:

In my opinion Marin's jumps seem to be stronger in general than they were last year. I remember being worried about how just barely there some of them seemed at JGPF and Junior Worlds, but so far she seems to be getting more height and more rotation on them.

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"Seem"? I recommend you slow down her take off and compare it to Rika's take off, by slow motion. I did today and the result is quite telling.
Marin has less pre-rotation than Satoko but technically they're the same in the toe jump, they don't use the toe pick assist in an efficient way at all. They're tap it on the nice "nicely" and rotate the toe pick on the ice and let their upper body bring themselves up.
Thanks Goddess Rika has better technique.

jeff goldblum said:

In my opinion Marin's jumps seem to be stronger in general than they were last year. I remember being worried about how just barely there some of them seemed at JGPF and Junior Worlds, but so far she seems to be getting more height and more rotation on them.

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and that beautiful running edge, glorious, perfect flow out

chuckm said:

The caller at this event was CLAUDIA UNGER. She handed out more URs, DGs and edge calls than any caller in recent memory. Many of the skaters that got those URs/DG have skated before in the JGP without getting such severe treatment. These are very young girls, and it has to be devastating to read a protocol that says most of their jumps aren't rotated.

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But the jumps she gave out < or << are NOT rotated. You should not get away with under rotation because you are young. It's the technical specialist's responsibility to mark the jumps with under rotation so the skaters know what area they have to improve. Not marking URs/DG is so not fair to skaters who rotated fully, and not fair toskaters in the same competition who got deduction for under rotation even through their jumps are not that much different from ladies from Russia who got away with it.
Alisa Lozko is one and Elizaveta Nugumanova is another that comes to mind who got such special treatment this year in JGP.

shyne said:

Not marking URs/DG is so not fair to skaters who rotated fully, and not fair toskaters in the same competition who got deduction for under rotation even through their jumps are not that much different from ladies from Russia who got away with it.

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So, only ladies from Russia got away with URs

Tolstoj said:

The fact that isn't new doesn't make their styles unexciting, Russian ballet will never get old, it is part of their traditions and their culture and you have to respect that, like it or not.

Personally i find Alisa Lozko the most interesting skater to watch this season, even with all these underrotations: i like her programs, so classy and unique, she has a fine posture, her spins are simply a state of the art, and i like how this year Russian Junior skaters are so diverse: you can find the spinners like Alisa or Liza Nugumanova, the jumper like Polina Tsurskaya, the princesses like Alisa Fedichkina, Anastasiia Gubanova,...

Alina was nervous here, but when she is on like in St.Gervais, she has the potential to be the strongest junior lady this season: she dares to do all the jumps of both SP&LP and it's incredibly difficult (no one ever done that before), especially when you have a 3ltz-3loop scheduled and all this rippon variations, she will fight for a medal at JGPF for sure.

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I'm not disrespecting anyone's culture by offering my opinions on a junior skating event. I happen to love ballet, and I've previously trained in ballet myself many years ago. Italy and France historically helped to create ballet and in the hands of Russians, the art soared. Practicing ballet is very important for all kinds and styles of dancers today, and as well it is important IMO for figure skaters to train in ballet (though not every skater does). However, this doesn't mean that because ballet is a part of Russian culture that Alina and Alisa are doing anything particularly interesting or spectacular with the art form at this particular point in their development. Sure, Alisa is a bit more unique and special in terms of what she brings to the ice with her emphasis on balletic grace. But if Alisa isn't able to fully fine tune and improve her technical skills, she will not get very far in the senior ranks. That's simply a fact. The sport tends to reward technical skills very highly so there is more emphasis placed on the tech skills than there is on the artistic skills. Clearly, skaters need both, but the tech has been shown to be more important, and with more potential for point-gathering.

I'm glad for you that you are enjoying and loving watching both Alina and Alisa. It is hard to predict what will happen to junior skaters in terms of their development potential once they become seniors. Anything can happen. For my taste, I don't see either doing anything very remarkable or totally outstanding that really distinguishes them or marks them as definitive future stars at this point. Both are clearly talented, competent and competitive, with Alina stronger technically, and Alisa stronger artistically.