2016 German Nationals 16-17/12

Frenchie said:

OK, I found some explanation (in German!)... Not satisfying, but still. :sarcasm:
Fentz is 0.07 points better if you add the 2 best season results. Still, given Peter is getting better every day, and Fentz is... hopelessly stiff, they should have made a judgement call here. Fentz uses the same program as last year, and every second in this program where he's not jumping is just painful to sit through. Sad.
Paul Fentz FS German Championships 2016-17
Peter Liebers FS German Championships 2016-17

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But the article says that Fentz has to skate into the Top Ten at Euros to go also to the Worlds. If he doesn't reach the Top Ten then Peters Liebers has a chance to go to the Worlds. So there is hope for him .

What I didn't know is that also Nathalie Weinzierl was ill at German Nationals and had to take medicine to reduce the temperature...

Luna Cat said:

But the article says that Fentz has to skate into the Top Ten at Euros to go also to the Worlds. If he doesn't reach the Top Ten then Peters Liebers has a chance to go to the Worlds. So there is hope for him .

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Sure, but Peter deserves more than to have to sit at home and watch the Euros and hope that Fentz doesn't finish in the top 10.
Which would mean no second spot for Germany again next year. The second spot that Fentz (16th) and Streubel (14th) lost last time around when Liebers was injured. Liebers got Germany that second spot the last 3 times he went to Euros.
And he's won the 5 last German Championships he competed in. Including this one. He's so obviously in such a different category of skater than Fentz (sorry, I really mean no offense to Paul...) that the mere fact that they just handed both the same program components would be a joke. But they slap Liebers in the face by not sending him because of 0,07 points when every international judge would acknowledge the humongous difference in program components between the 2. If they give Fentz super inflated PCs, why not at least raise Liebers' by a little more? They're not on the same level at all in that regard.
Liebers deserves more gratitude from the DEU than that.

Plus, the difference in competition between Euros and worlds is so big, Peter could finish 20th at Worlds with a performance that would have meant top 10 at Euros. (add 3 Japanese, 2 Chinese, 2 US, Patrick Chan, Denis Ten - just off the top of my head)

Frenchie said:

Sure, but Peter deserves more than to have to sit at home and watch the Euros and hope that Fentz doesn't finish in the top 10.
Which would mean no second spot for Germany again next year. The second spot that Fentz (16th) and Streubel (14th) lost last time around when Liebers was injured. Liebers got Germany that second spot the last 3 times he went to Euros.
And he's won the 5 last German Championships he competed in. Including this one. He's so obviously in such a different category of skater than Fentz (sorry, I really mean no offense to Paul...) that the mere fact that they just handed both the same program components would be a joke. But they slap Liebers in the face by not sending him because of 0,07 points when every international judge would acknowledge the humongous difference in program components between the 2. If they give Fentz super inflated PCs, why not at least raise Liebers' by a little more? They're not on the same level at all in that regard.
Liebers deserves more gratitude from the DEU than that.

Plus, the difference in competition between Euros and worlds is so big, Peter could finish 20th at Worlds with a performance that would have meant top 10 at Euros. (add 3 Japanese, 2 Chinese, 2 US, Patrick Chan, Denis Ten - just off the top of my head)

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I watched the competition live. Fentz skating skills were much better than liebers yesterday. he improved so much and his 4T looked gorgeous. Way better than Liebers. The audience supported Paul more than Liebers.

I think the system is quite fair and the Top 10 at Euros should be easily possible.

CaroLiza_fan said:

So still no sign of Annabelle Prölß competing, even in Singles.

I doubt she must have retired quietly after her split with Ruben Blommaert.

It's a shame if she has stopped completely. Yes, she had undoubtedly grown too tall for Pairs, but I thought she was still promising as a Singles skater.


CaroLiza_fan

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Are there rumours she will return? It would be surprising. Her last competition was three years ago.

QuadThrow said:

I watched the competition live. Fentz skating skills were much better than liebers yesterday. he improved so much and his 4T looked gorgeous. Way better than Liebers. The audience supported Paul more than Liebers.

I think the system is quite fair and the Top 10 at Euros should be easily possible.

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I agree with Fentz's 4T looking gorgeous. So did the judges, who gave it +2 GOEs, for a total of 12,3 points.
Liebers got -4 and <, for a total of 4 points (-1 for the fall, so actually 3 points).
Judges Scores for the Free Skate
9,3 points difference just for this 1 element is huge, and well deserved. But I can't agree with your statement that Fentz's skating skills were much better than Liebers'. I wasn't there live, but I saw both youtube vids I linked to, and I can't imagine the camera distorted it in such a way that it made Fentz look to me like he always looks, when in reality it wasn't the case: Fentz stiff as cardboard, and Liebers... well, still not at 100% but so much better than Fentz. Fentz uses the same program as last year, he didn't change any move in his choreography, and he didn't look improved to me at all. His posture is hunchback-atroceous, his arms are stiff, his facial expression looks to me like he's thinking of what he wants to put on his shopping list next. That's my guess of what the international judges always see when they mark him. 5,74 points less than Liebers for that very program just 2 weeks ago, that's a huge difference. (69,26 points Liebers, 63,52 Fentz)

When I see those 2 videos, I see Liebers performing a program and struggle with some jumps, while I see Fentz have some beautiful jumps, then some very botched ones, but everything in between the jumps is awkwardly waiting for the next jump to make it stop being awkward.
But we can agree to disagree

I'm also surprised that Peter Libiers can't compete at Euros....:sad21:

The scores of Lorenz/Polizoakis I'm not sure what German Fed want to achieve with inflating it so much. They won't go even close to that internationally this season....That's just giving false hope for them. But I guess they have full support from Fed.

luckyguy said:

Are there rumours she will return? It would be surprising. Her last competition was three years ago.

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No. I just wonder where she is every time Nationals comes around. Beause I liked her.

I thought continuing to do Singles at the same time as she was doing Pairs was a backup in case Pairs didn't work out. So, that's why I was surprised that she just disappeared without trace after her and Ruben split.

CaroLiza_fan

Is Fenz much younger than Liebers ? perhaps the Federation is thinking to make him get international experience in light of the next Olympic quadriennial period.
Me too I'm disappointed not to see Liebers at Euros.

rosy14 said:

Is Fenz much younger than Liebers ?

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Peter over Paul for 4.5 years

luckyguy said:

Are there rumours she will return? It would be surprising. Her last competition was three years ago.

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when you see her instagram #belle-proelss
it is very clear that she quit with Skating, but sometimes it is still hard for her

rosy14 said:

Is Fenz much younger than Liebers ? perhaps the Federation is thinking to make him get international experience in light of the next Olympic quadriennial period.
Me too I'm disappointed not to see Liebers at Euros.

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maybe it is also ok with liebers because he defenitely Needs more time to come back in the shape he had been

euroskate said:

when you see her instagram #belle-proelss
it is very clear that she quit with Skating, but sometimes it is still hard for her

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Thanks for the info.

It's a shame, but at least we know for sure now. (With long-term injuries and sabbaticals, it is sometimes hard to tell who is finished and who is not).

CaroLiza_fan

Junior Nationals

Junior men
1 Thomas STOLL SCB BER 175.57 1 1
2 Thomas JUNSKI DEG NRW 159.88 7 2
3 Isaak DROYSEN WSVA BAY 159.83 2 3
4 Kai JAGODA SCB BER 152.28 3 5
5 Daniel SAPOZHNIKOV ERCW NRW 151.92 4 4
6 Denis GURDZHI TSCD NRW 149.26 5 6
7 Jonathan HEß TECW B-W 147.51 6 7
8 Niclas Joshua RUST BTSC BER 129.95 9 8
9 Jegor EßLINGER SCC BER 120.66 10 9
10 Kurt Maximilian GROHMANN DREC SAS 109.58 11 10
WD Daniel SHAPIRO TUSS B-W

Junior ladies
1 Jennifer SCHMIDT BSV92 BER 127.35 4 1
2 Dora HUS MERC B-W 126.47 3 2
3 Ann-Christin MAROLD ECRE BAY 126.03 1 6
4 Franziska KETTL SCR BAY 122.75 2 3
5 Kristina ISAEV MERC B-W 120.42 5 4
6 Alissa SCHEIDT MEV BAY 113.59 6 5
7 Celine GÖBEL EJE NRW 109.12 7 7
8 Sarah ANDERSON MEV BAY 107.70 8 8
9 Carlota BUSTOS KNOBLICH SCKR NRW 103.99 18 9
10 Laura MORATH ECO BAY 100.90 11 10
11 Jasmin LUGERT TECW B-W 99.13 10 11
12 Katharina KURZ ECRE BAY 98.61 9 12
13 Kalina LEWICKA MERC B-W 97.60 15 13
14 Layla Constance LABERNY BSV92 BER 97.53 12 15
15 Malin SCHÄDLICH ATSV BRE 96.08 19 14
16 Minori YUGE BSV92 BER 93.95 14 17
17 Julia ZENNER USGC SAS 91.25 21 16
18 Lena WIEWIORA EJE NRW 89.81 20 18
19 Julia KLOT DREC SAS 89.50 16 19
20 Laura BERISHA ESCRA B-W 87.86 17 20
21 Jennifer FISCHER MEV BAY 84.98 13 21
WD Greta MAGER ECO BAY

Junior pair
1 Talisa THOMALLA / Robert KUNKEL SCB BER 123.99 1 1

Junior dance
1 Charise MATTHAEI / Maximilian PFISTERER SCB/ERCM B/B 114.19 1 1
2 Sabrina BITTNER / Andrei LEBED SCB BER 104.72 2 2
3 Sarah Michelle KNISPEL / Maximilian VOIGTLÄNDER CEC SAS 100.07 3 3

Advanced novice boys (I don't understand why there is a group A and group B...)
A
1 Tim ENGLAND ESCE THR 99.48 1 1
2 Davide CALDERARI ECO BAY 80.73 3 3
3 Arthur MAI SCC BER 80.24 6 2
4 Alessio MEDINI BTSC BER 79.33 2 4
5 Leon KRAICZYK ECRE BAY 75.90 5 5
6 Robert LÖWENHERZ BSV92 BER 74.69 4 7
7 Roman GRIGORIEV LSCBN HES 72.79 9 6
8 Laurenz DAUENHAUER EVA BAY 72.68 7 8
9 Michael TSCHMELAK TECW B-W 69.84 8 9
10 Albert LOOR SCB BER 62.49 10 10
B
1 Florian PASCHKE BSV92 BER 99.50 3 1
2 Louis WEISSERT TSCD NRW 98.82 2 2
3 William TRAUTWEIN SCB BER 97.99 1 4
4 Christian HASS MERC B-W 93.29 7 3
5 Michael SAVITSKIY ECO BAY 91.79 6 5
6 Marvin RÖMPLER USGC SAS 91.17 4 6
7 Nicos Jaron MARTICK CEC SAS 89.14 5 7
8 Jurek KOLBE EVA BAY 77.84 8 8
9 Ron SCHERHAUFER TECW B-W 72.11 9 9
WD Lukas GNEIDING ESCHE NRW

Advanced novice girls (the same)
A
1 Anastasia STEBLYANKA MERC B-W 94.50 4 1
2 Nicole CALDERARI ECO BAY 92.96 2 3
3 Michelle KONOV MERC B-W 92.49 3 2
4 Jana SCHWEGLER ECRE BAY 89.94 1 4
5 Tiffany KLAUNIG ECO BAY 85.14 5 5
6 Milena SARDARIAN ECRE BAY 79.57 6 8
7 Lara MESSINGER EJE NRW 78.63 7 7
8 Michelle EHEMANN EVA BAY 78.30 10 6
9 Janne SALATZKI SCB BER 75.73 13 9
10 Maike PRUSS BTSC BER 75.18 11 11
11 Aya HATAKAWA DEG NRW 75.04 14 10
12 Katja FINK MERC B-W 73.86 12 12
13 Kiara MERKEL USGC SAS 73.63 9 13
14 Jocy PELKA TUSS B-W 71.47 8 14
15 Anna-Maria KISTNER ESCE THR 66.78 16 16
16 Mariella LANGE CEC SAS 65.66 19 15
17 Aliona PANKRATOVA DREC SAS 65.06 17 17
18 Cecile Pauline PFISTER USGC SAS 61.16 15 18
19 Paula BERYAK ESCE THR 55.94 20 19
WD Senta BÖHLKE CEC SAS
B
1 Catharina HAUSLADEN WSVA BAY 88.48 2 1
2 Lea SCHWAMBERGER ECRE BAY 87.47 3 2
3 Andrea PEKAREK ECRE BAY 86.90 1 4
4 Carolin HEß TECW B-W 86.66 5 3
5 Sabrina WEIS MERC B-W 84.84 6 5
6 Maelle OBERLÄNDER SCC BER 82.04 4 8
7 Lisa OGE EKVM BAY 81.47 10 6
8 Christine FLOHR BSV92 BER 80.01 11 7
9 Talisa THOMALLA SCB BER 77.93 14 9
10 Linn JÖRGENSEN MEV BAY 76.20 7 13
11 Marina DELLA ROVERE EVA BAY 75.86 9 11
12 Anastasia BROTSMANN MERC B-W 74.49 8 15
13 Julia FALKENSTERN BTSC BER 74.21 13 12
14 Anna Matilda FELLINGER EJE NRW 73.91 15 10
15 Paula LIEBSCHNER DREC SAS 71.33 12 16
16 Luisa BRITO CID WSVA BAY 71.23 16 14
17 Maria ROGOZINA BSV92 BER 67.03 17 18
18 Anna DEKHTYARYUK ERCW NRW 66.36 18 19
19 Fabienne MEVE ESCW NIE 64.98 19 17
20 Ekaterina KONDILIABROVA ATSV BRE 39.02 20 20

Advanced novice pair
1 Alexia FAYT / Eryk JANZEN BSV92 BER 65.73 1 1

Advanced novice dance
1 Lara LUFT / Asaf KAZIMOV ERCW NRW 73.85 1 2 1
2 Anne-Marie WOLF / Max LIEBERS CEC SAS 66.32 3 1 2
3 Peggy BEECK / Leon WAGNER SCB BER 60.47 2 3 3
4 Julia ALBRECHT / Kai HOFERICHTER SCB BER 50.10 4 4 4