Spanish Nationals, 16-18.12.16

cathlen · Dec 16, 2016

I have not seen entries, but Spanish Nationals has started.

You can watch on this channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuys7LUNfFcwwToSG3yMocw

Results should appear here: http://www.fedhielo.com/resultados-patinaje-artistico/

Website: http://www.fedhielo.com/viella/

Barb · Dec 17, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1vwUIlE670 Sara and Kirill SD 65.44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEZhvU2FdjI&t=1s Olivia and Adria SD 52.96
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcb1_sK_1TY Robledo and Fenero SD 52.79

Javier Fernández SP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIMjdGqRM5I

Andrea82 · Dec 18, 2016

To save time they do a single warm up group with the 3 men and the 2 women.

NicolettaL · Dec 18, 2016

Sooo the National team
Men: Fernandez, Raya
Ladies: Matos (still have to do minimum TES for Worlds)
Ice Dance: Hurtado/Khaliavin
Paris: None, as Lech/Maestu broke their partnership. Both having new partners will be skating for their home Nations respectively

Andrea82 · Dec 18, 2016

NicolettaL said:
Sooo the National team
Men: Fernandez, Raya
Ladies: Matos (still have to do minimum TES for Worlds)
Ice Dance: Hurtado/Khaliavin
Paris: None, as Lech/Maestu broke their partnership. Both having new partners will be skating for their home Nations respectively

Could they try and play a tactical game for the Worlds sending only Fernandez in order to increase the chances of getting 3 spots for the Olympics? Fernandez in the top 2 is more likely than Fernandez+Raya placements being less than 14.

cathlen · Dec 18, 2016

Andrea82 said:
Could they try and play a tactical game for the Worlds sending only Fernandez in order to increase the chances of getting 3 spots for the Olympics? Fernandez in the top 2 is more likely than Fernandez+Raya placements being less than 14.

Is there a point though? There are no 3 skaters with TES minimum anyway every year.... Spain doesn't really need 3 spots.

Andrea82 · Dec 18, 2016

Fernandez FP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPek52e-xY8

Hurtado/Khaliavin FD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRY259QH46c

At 5:55 there is also a big hug between Sara and Adria.

cathlen said:
Is there a point though? There are no 3 skaters with TES minimum anyway every year.... Spain doesn't really need 3 spots.

IIRC from Sochi 2014, the Olympic TES minimums are closer to the Euro/4 Continents minimums rather than Worlds'. So Montoaya could theoretically achieve it.

You've a point that a third Spanish man won't add much to the overall competition though.

turquoiseblue · Dec 18, 2016

Team Spain for Euros and Worlds:

https://twitter.com/mirrorhands/status/810523524267909120

Euros: Javier Fernandez, Javier Raya, Valentina Matos, Sara Hurtado/Kirill Khaliavin.

https://twitter.com/mirrorhands/status/810523609911488512

Worlds: Fernandez, Raya, Matos (if she gets the Minimun TES), and the ice dance couple with the highest International SD TES of the season.

SamuraiKike · Dec 18, 2016

Wow, I thought Smart/Diaz were getting the Euro spot for sure. I just hope Hurtado/Khaliavin can sneak into the top 10. Both teams are very promising.

noidont · Dec 18, 2016

Is there any chance for the two new dance teams to get citizenship? Are they just setting Roblelo/Fenero up for Olympics?

turquoiseblue · Dec 18, 2016

noidont said:
Is there any chance for the two new dance teams to get citizenship? Are they just setting Roblelo/Fenero up for Olympics?

Sara and Kirill have already started working it.

Sara Hurtado: "Beginning is always the hardest"

Are you already working on citizenship for Kirill? What are the chances for it to be in time for the Olympics? And what is in general the procedure in Spain?

In Spain we have something which is called "a letter of naturalization". It's basically a request from our federation and National Olympic Committee to the government which shows how the country can benefit from this athlete. Honestly I don't know how long it takes. All the process has already started, because, of course, the earlier the better. But we will see during this season and next year. Also the situation right now in Spain with the government was really unstable (Spain suffered a 10-month political deadlock which was resumed only at the end of October - ed.), only last month we got a Prime Minister and now he has to close the official budget, the new laws, a lot of things...

I'm keeping my fingers crossed :cheer:

SamuraiKike · Dec 19, 2016

I doubt any of the new pairing will get it on time so Robledo and Fenero can be the lucky beneficients IF a spot is secured for Spain. Im sure that when Adria and Sara decided to keep going their separate ways they knew it was going to be a long term thing and 2022 should be their goal.

Barb · Dec 19, 2016

SamuraiKike said:
I doubt any of the new pairing will get it on time so Robledo and Fenero can be the lucky beneficients IF a spot is secured for Spain. Im sure that when Adria and Sara decided to keep going their separate ways they knew it was going to be a long term thing a 2022 should be their goal.

Whaaaaattt!!!! nooooo!!! :sad21:, I thought some of the two new teams would to get go to Korea.

Mattieu · Dec 19, 2016

chapis said:
Whaaaaattt!!!! nooooo!!! :sad21:, I thought some of the two new teams would to get go to Korea.

I believe that Spain has fast track procedures to make athletes with real potential into Spanish citizens. So don't despair just yet!

Spain managed to get Khavalian released from Russia, and they wouldn't have gone to all that trouble for him to sit out the Olympics.

legjumper · Dec 19, 2016

SamuraiKike said:
Wow, I thought Smart/Diaz were getting the Euro spot for sure. I just hope Hurtado/Khaliavin can sneak into the top 10. Both teams are very promising.

The Spanish Fed announced earlier this fall that the winner of Spanish Nationals would automatically go to Europeans. It's the Worlds spot that is still up for grabs - the team with the season's highest SD TES from an international competition will go. Currently, that team is Smart/Diaz.

gabriele · Dec 19, 2016

legjumper said:
The Spanish Fed announced earlier this fall that the winner of Spanish Nationals would automatically go to Europeans. It's the Worlds spot that is still up for grabs - the team with the season's highest SD TES from an international competition will go. Currently, that team is Smart/Diaz.

Smart/Diaz's best SD Technical would be 28.80. So Sara/Kirill need to better it at Mentor Torun or the Europeans to get to the Worlds. Is that right?

Mrs. P · Dec 19, 2016

Well the minimum TES is 29, so even if Smart Diaz got the spot, They still have to go and get the minimum.

ice coverage · Dec 19, 2016

legjumper said:
The Spanish Fed announced earlier this fall that the winner of Spanish Nationals would automatically go to Europeans. It's the Worlds spot that is still up for grabs - the team with the season's highest SD TES from an international competition will go. Currently, that team is Smart/Diaz.

gabriele said:
Smart/Diaz's best SD Technical would be 28.80. So Sara/Kirill need to better it at Mentor Torun or the Europeans to get to the Worlds. Is that right?

Mrs. P said:
Well the minimum TES is 29, so even if Smart Diaz got the spot, They still have to go and get the minimum.

Smart/Diaz already have the TES minimums for Worlds.

34.13 and 52.73 at Open D'Andorra. In both cases, above Hurtado/Khaliavin at this point.

http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/tes/stsdjustsen.htm
http://static.isu.org/media/384373/wc2017_announcement_final.pdf

gabriele · Dec 20, 2016

ice coverage said:
Smart/Diaz already have the TES minimums for Worlds.

34.13 and 52.73 at Open D'Andorra. In both cases, above Hurtado/Khaliavin at this point.

http://www.isuresults.com/isujsstat/tes/stsdjustsen.htm
http://static.isu.org/media/384373/wc2017_announcement_final.pdf

Thankyou for clarifying, ice coverage. I had looked it up here, http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs_pb_00101308.htm but it didn't show the Andorra result, despite having been updated yesterday. :scratch2:

Thanks for pointing it out. :thumbsup:

ice coverage · Dec 20, 2016

gabriele said:
Thankyou for clarifying, ice coverage. I had looked it up here, http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs_pb_00101308.htm but it didn't show the Andorra result, despite having been updated yesterday. Thanks for pointing it out. :thumbsup:

Your link is for the ISU Personal Bests page for Smart/Diaz.
Open D'Andorra results do not count for ISU PBs.

But Open D'Andorra results do count for TES minimums.

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