2017 Canadian Nats Novice Men

Novice Men Short Program

Monday, January 16, 2017
15:40 ‎(UTC-5)

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Ottawa, Ontario at The Arena at TD Place

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Starting Order Name Section

1 Bryan Pierro QC
2 Corey Circelli CO
3 Alec Guinzbourg EO
4 Beres Clements BC/YK
5 Yu Jin Armstrong AB/NT/NU
6 Justin Hampole BC/YK
7 Hugo Li CO
8 Alexandre Simard QC
9 Alistair Lam WO
10 Loucas Éthier QC
11 Daniel Rousskikh EO
12 Koen Kucher SK
13 Alexis Lay QC
14 David Birinberg EO
15 Max Denk CO
16 Evan Hopkins EO
17 Aleksa Rakic BC/YK
18 Dawson Nodwell AB/NT/NU

Another fairly strong year for Novice Men. Looking forward to seeing the top placements move on to juniors next year. They will need to introduce 3-3 combos though. We don't seem to see them as much in novice men as we do with the novice women.

Results...

1 Corey Circelli CO 42.72 (2) 96.55 (1) 139.27
2 Dawson Nodwell AB/NT/NU 41.93 (4) 90.74 (2) 132.67
3 Alistair Lam WO 43.91 (1) 83.84 (3) 127.75
4 Koen Kucher SK 40.96 (5) 83.65 (4) 124.61
5 Beres Clements BC/YK 42.52 (3) 81.98 (5) 124.50
6 Aleksa Rakic BC/YK 40.71 (6) 79.06 (6) 119.77
7 Max Denk CO 37.37 (13) 75.07 (7) 112.44
8 Daniel Rousskikh EO 40.10 (7) 70.88 (8) 110.98
9 Alec Guinzbourg EO 38.83 (8) 69.37 (11) 108.20
10 Loucas Éthier QC 37.62 (11) 69.94 (9) 107.56
11 Hugo Li CO 38.61 (9) 66.55 (13) 105.16
12 Yu Jin Armstrong AB/NT/NU 36.93 (14) 68.02 (12) 104.95
13 David Birinberg EO 31.65 (17) 69.77 (10) 101.42
14 Justin Hampole BC/YK 38.10 (10) 61.12 (15) 99.22
15 Alexis Lay QC 32.40 (16) 63.27 (14) 95.67
16 Alexandre Simard QC 37.61 (12) 55.82 (17) 93.43
17 Bryan Pierro QC 32.66 (15) 59.26 (16) 91.92
18 Evan Hopkins EO 24.55 (18) 53.12 (18) 77.67

TGee said:

Another fairly strong year for Novice Men. Looking forward to seeing the top placements move on to juniors next year. They will need to introduce 3-3 combos though. We don't seem to see them as much in novice men as we do with the novice women.

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Well Corey Circelli did land a 3T + 3T combo in the short here. He was the only skater to do one though in either program.

One thing is that the easier 3/3 combos for the men only merit 1 bonus point ( as only triple loop and higher get bonus points as individual jumps ) whereas for the ladies all 3/3 combos will get 3 bonus points ( 2 for the indiviual jumps in the combo and 1 for the 3/3). Much bigger carrot for the ladies to do one than the men. It is easier for the men to go for a complete set of triples first whereas for the ladies it is easier for them to go after the 3/3 before mastering all of the harder triples.

Thing is, when the young men hit Juniors they need both the full set of triples and the 3-3 combos....It makes it a bigger step than many appreciate.

TGee said:

Thing is, when the young men hit Juniors they need both the full set of triples and the 3-3 combos....It makes it a bigger step than many appreciate.

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Agreed.

I must say that restricting the individual jump bonus to loop and higher has done good things. At least just about all the novice men are at least trying the harder triples. It won't help to simply make every easy triple ( toe and salchow ) worth a bonus point. Otherwise there would be little incentive for anyone to push their programs beyond a winning pre-novice program.

Perhaps giving 2 bonus points for a 3/3 combination would help encourage them more.

I think 1 bonus point for the harder triples and 2 bonus points for a 3/3 would properly balance the need to develop both. And yes these should be the rules for both novice men and women.

Another idea is that Skate Canada should allow 3 jump combos as well

Perhaps some skaters at this point in development are more comfortable with triple jump half loop triple salchow than with triple jump - triple toe. These half loop combos should be encouraged as well with the same bonus as a 3-3. Many top senior skaters like doing the half loop combos as it almost completely eliminates the possibility of Zayaking

When Gogolev was novice he did a triple flip half loop triple salchow in Skate Detroit because US rules allow him to. He could not even attempt that combo in his Canadian novice mens competitions.

Where is the incentive to push when you don't even allow these elements in the programs ?