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Only one Ice Dance couple gets to go and C/B are ranked first in the World Standings, so I guess that's why they're the ones going as per the participation criteria?
ISU World Team Trophy 2017
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Only one Ice Dance couple gets to go and C/B are ranked first in the World Standings, so I guess that's why they're the ones going as per the participation criteria?
Ashley Cain and Timothy LeDuc?
If Ashley didn't want to do WTT, she was put in the tough position of being unable to refuse. Since she met both criteria - finishing in the top 10 at Worlds and ranked as the 1st US lady on the World Standing list there were consequences if she refused. In section 3.2 of the announcement:
... if this Skater/Couple elects in advance of the ISU World Team Trophy not to participate in the ISU World Team Trophy (for whatever reason), he/she/they will not be permitted to participate in any other competitions, shows, and exhibitions from Monday noon (April 3, 2017) after the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2017, during the ISU World Team Trophy, and until April 23, 2017.
Ashley is scheduled to perform in SOI on April 13th and if she refused to participate in WTT she would not be able to perform. (The same is also true for Chock/Bates.)
... if this Skater/Couple elects in advance of the ISU World Team Trophy not to participate in the ISU World Team Trophy (for whatever reason), he/she/they will not be permitted to participate in any other competitions, shows, and exhibitions from Monday noon (April 3, 2017) after the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2017, during the ISU World Team Trophy, and until April 23, 2017.
Ashley is scheduled to perform in SOI on April 13th and if she refused to participate in WTT she would not be able to perform. (The same is also true for Chock/Bates.)
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You got me there. I didn't notice the subs.
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Wait, is this the extent of the sanctions on refusing to participate? 20 days?
But did they go two years ago ?
This vague statement closes out section 3.2 (Consequences of non-participation):
In addition, depending on the circumstances, the concerned Skater/Couple and ISU Members may be subject to sanctions in accordance with Rule 136, paragraph 6 of the General Regulations.
It reads like there could be additional sanctions to the skater / country for non-participation but it may be more of a threat than anything else.
Yes they were 3rd at the sd and 1st at the fd (they got a standing ovation). Gabriella was the captain!
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This. For many skaters this prohibition is sort of a joke, but Ashley seems to depend on the money she gets from SOI to fund her training. I can understand why she wouldn't want to miss even one show.
Of course it's always conceivable that she does wish to go.
By what measure should Mirai have been selected instead of Ashley?
I wonder if Ashley Wagner was "convinced" by USFSA that skating at WTT was in her best interest - a redemption skate. I gained respect for Ashley during Worlds. Her performances may not have been medal-worthy but I saw a more mature, genuine person. Little things like holding Karen's credentials and bag while she spoke to the media impressed me. Perhaps she was a little too Olympic focused. I am disappointed not to see Mirai but it is Ashley's place. I would have really liked to have seen Castelli and Tran over Cain and LeDuc. I'm also surprised to see Duhamel and Radford considering his injury. I think Team Canada looks like they have the edge over Japan.
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KIAL, I think we all are grateful that you were the first to post the official USFS roster from IN
.I'm pretty sure that what shiro was questioning was why earlier lists were posted (not by you) that originally did not even have the notation of "not official" (although it was added later). The earlier "not official" lists do not indicate whose speculation they were, but the speculation was far from reliable in the case of the USFS entries.
My two cents re the USFS entries is that it is impossible to dissect the assignments in any consistent way.
The USFS announcement of 2015 WTT entries had given some criteria for making the assignments.
It is notable that the USFS announcement for 2017 gives no criteria.
Four years ago at 2013 WTT (in the pre-Olympic season), Davis/White and Virtue/Moir did not compete -- so at least in the past, there has been leeway in adhering to ISU World Standings (no matter what the ISU document says).
USFS clearly did not go by ISU World Standings when giving Cain/Leduc the WTT assignment this year. They are below Castelli/Tran in the ISU World Standings.
Only my speculation, but I have a feeling that with its 2017 WTT choices, USFS is trying to reward and/or show confidence in certain skaters. Only my speculation.
(I am talking only about this year's USFS assignments for WTT. Not about USFS assignments for Worlds or anything else.)
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In the case of Cain & LeDuc, they were in the unusual position of being flown to Helsinki to be on standby until the last possible moment. I had been thinking it was because of Alexa (because she did not practice the first day; i think something was going on with her that hasn't been reported), but perhaps Haven also was being monitored.
Also, it makes sense to give them international exposure over Castelli/Tran, since C/T can't go to the Olympics. If this was 2015 and not 2017, perhaps the decision would have been different.
Also, it makes sense to give them international exposure over Castelli/Tran, since C/T can't go to the Olympics. If this was 2015 and not 2017, perhaps the decision would have been different.
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KIAL, I think we all are grateful that you were the first to post the official USFS roster from IN
I'm pretty sure that what shiro was questioning was why earlier lists were posted (not by you) that originally did not even have the notation of "not official" (although it was added later). The earlier "not official" lists do not indicate whose speculation they were, but the speculation was far from reliable in the case of the USFS entries.
Sorry I should have specified. But yes that was what I was referring to, thank you
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Didn't see anyone post this, but official entries are up: http://www.isu.org/en/single-and-pa...nce/results/201617/isu-world-team-trophy-2017
Interesting, both S/H and Y/Z aren't going, as well as V/M and P/C. That kind of dulls the excitement for me a little to be honest
And why why why are D/R going? They should really take the time to rest instead of overdoing it; they can prove themselves again when they are healthy. Same with T/M.
Interesting, both S/H and Y/Z aren't going, as well as V/M and P/C. That kind of dulls the excitement for me a little to be honest
And why why why are D/R going? They should really take the time to rest instead of overdoing it; they can prove themselves again when they are healthy. Same with T/M.
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Chock & Bates would have been asked first. It's based on world standing (C/B are #1 in points over last 3 years), and since they were top 10 at worlds, they are "required" to go or face a penalty. After C/B I believe the alternates are up to the federation.
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KIAL, I think we all are grateful that you were the first to post the official USFS roster from IN
I'm pretty sure that what shiro was questioning was why earlier lists were posted (not by you) that originally did not even have the notation of "not official" (although it was added later). The earlier "not official" lists do not indicate whose speculation they were, but the speculation was far from reliable in the case of the USFS entries.
My two cents re the USFS entries is that it is impossible to dissect the assignments in any consistent way.
The USFS announcement of 2015 WTT entries had given some criteria for making the assignments.
It is notable that the USFS announcement for 2017 gives no criteria.
Four years ago at 2013 WTT (in the pre-Olympic season), Davis/White and Virtue/Moir did not compete -- so at least in the past, there has been leeway in adhering to ISU World Standings (no matter what the ISU document says).
USFS clearly did not go by ISU World Standings when giving Cain/Leduc the WTT assignment this year. They are below Castelli/Tran in the ISU World Standings.
Only my speculation, but I have a feeling that with its 2017 WTT choices, USFS is trying to reward and/or show confidence in certain skaters. Only my speculation.
(I am talking only about this year's USFS assignments for WTT. Not about USFS assignments for Worlds or anything else.)
Call me uncool, but what does KIAL mean?
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Call me uncool, but what does KIAL mean?
KIAL= your user name LOL
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