Current Innovators

Sam-Skwantch · Jun 15, 2017

One of the cool things about an artistically rooted sport is the personal touch skaters bring. While many elements have been done before some skaters find ways to do them in ways we haven't yet seen. Who today among us is putting a new face on an old element?

I saw this today. Wait for the final spin.....it's like she kisses the Beillmann at the end.

https://instagram.com/p/BVWmsxyBWhg/

I think she is one of Polina Shelepen's students because she's appeared in several of her posts. Plus the use of #TeamShelepen

Anyone know who she is?

Which skaters are today's innovators. Let's share their stories.

ejnsofi · Jun 15, 2017

Sam-Skwantch said:
One of the cool things about an artistically rooted sport is the personal touch skaters bring. While many elements have been done before some skaters find ways to do them in ways we haven't yet seen. Who today among us is putting a new face on an old element?

I saw this today. Wait for the final spin.....it's like she kisses the Beillmann at the end.

https://instagram.com/p/BVWmsxyBWhg/

I think she is one of Polina Shelepen's students because she's appeared in several of her posts. Plus the use of #TeamShelepen Anyone know who she is?

Which skaters are today's innovators. Let's share their stories.

Her name is Varvara Nikolaeva

andromache · Jun 15, 2017

Based on his work with Savchenko/Massot and James/Cipres, John Kerr seems to be massively innovative in terms of choreography. His work is gorgeously complex and unconventional in theme for pairs skating. Sui/Han are massively lucky that Lori is pulling out all the stops in crafting them equally gorgeous and complex and unconventional programs. As much as I loved their 2015-2016 programs with Lori, they are completely outclassed by their 2017 programs.

4everchan · Jun 15, 2017

i think alaine brought a couple spin positions to life in the last few years

first her touch the boot one that now shoma uses all the time ... not sure if alaine created it but it is for sure her version that i saw first and for a while before seeing anyone else doing it

of course, she also does the kennel-camel or canel spin

which i had never seen before... but again, did she create it?

back in the time, big innovators were bourne and kraatz with their hydroblading ...

i don't find dance to be that innovative these days...

for pairs, i don't really agree with you andromache, good programs yes, interesting programs yes... but are they playing with elements... not really.... aside maybe for the throw triple flip entrance for J/C

I think in pairs, the most interesting skaters, are I/M. Of course, they created all these gorgeous lifts with her flexibility, but two years in a row they brought some special transitions into their death spirals... i think they are trying to create new moves into their elements... D/M were very special that way....

men? nobody really... at least that I can think of... right now being innovative in the men's discipline is to bring new jumps

mrrice · Jun 15, 2017

I don't know if I'd call him innovative as much as a throw back to the good old days of theatrical, athletic skating but....I like Mikhail Kolyada.

TerpsichoreFS · Jun 15, 2017

Marie France Dubreuil in ice dance is definitely someone I see as innovative.

Also deniss Vassiljevs' twizzles (which hanyu has copied in his kobe Chopin if i'm not wrong)

CanadianSkaterGuy · Jun 15, 2017

Speaking of twizzles, I know they've been doing them for a while, but I love Stepanova/Bukin's sit spin twizzles.

That forward I-spin is awesome! And more difficult than the typical backwards I-spin.

I also love Sui/Han's first part of their pairs spin - very unusual and difficult.

Lubov/Dylan did a lift where he was on one foot for a rotation which was super risky (guessing that's why they removed it).

Ic3Rabbit · Jun 15, 2017

Jeremy Abbott: Bringing new movement and artistry to the sport.

https://youtu.be/Gr0PMlUanRo for example.

https://youtu.be/Ya4AX5BOBT0

He also currently has one of the only if not the only slide spiral in the sport right now. (And best in the business since Robin Cousins

)

silverfoxes · Jun 15, 2017

Deniss Vasiljevs - twizzles and spins...enough said!

Georgi Kunitsa is definitely an innovator, in my opinion. At least I've never seen anyone skate with such unusual hand/arm movements and very few who can interpret music like this. And he's just 14.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoWxqiEaKhI

Ic3Rabbit · Jun 15, 2017

4everchan said:
i think alaine brought a couple spin positions to life in the last few years

first her touch the boot one that now shoma uses all the time ... not sure if alaine created it but it is for sure her version that i saw first and for a while before seeing anyone else doing it

of course, she also does the kennel-camel or canel spin which i had never seen before... but again, did she create it?

back in the time, big innovators were bourne and kraatz with their hydroblading ...

i don't find dance to be that innovative these days...

for pairs, i don't really agree with you andromache, good programs yes, interesting programs yes... but are they playing with elements... not really.... aside maybe for the throw triple flip entrance for J/C

I think in pairs, the most interesting skaters, are I/M. Of course, they created all these gorgeous lifts with her flexibility, but two years in a row they brought some special transitions into their death spirals... i think they are trying to create new moves into their elements... D/M were very special that way....

men? nobody really... at least that I can think of... right now being innovative in the men's discipline is to bring new jumps

The most innovative in dance these days is definitely G/P because they are always different. H/D can fit in that box too, and with music innovation the Shibs.

4everchan · Jun 15, 2017

Ic3Rabbit said:
The most innovative in dance these days is definitely G/P because they are always different. H/D can fit in that box too, and with music innovation the Shibs.

yup... def G/P... i loved their baroque beatles last year....

Yatagarasu · Jun 15, 2017

TerpsichoreFS said:
Also deniss Vassiljevs' twizzles (which hanyu has copied in his kobe Chopin if i'm not wrong)

I wish! but no, Hanyu just keeps his free leg low, while Deniss actually has leg movement during his twizzles, they're absolutely divine, went so well with the music. And of course as others said, I love his spins, and he's had them before Lambiel too so I'm glad he'll only be able to advance further there.

skatingfan4ever · Jun 15, 2017

Patrick Chan step sequences - innovative because of how EASY he makes them look and how many variations he is able to fit in without pausing at all (and they are all gorgeous). :love:

Grin · Jun 15, 2017

Let's speak about tano, rippons and pantomime...

nolangoh · Jun 15, 2017

In Ice Dance, during the twizzles, there is a "sit-spin" twizzles. I only saw Stepanova and Bukin did it first, not sure if someone had done it before.

Adelina did the side-biellman which i haven't seen anyone else did it.

I really like Mirai's haircutter-biellman-haircutter spin.

silverfoxes · Jun 15, 2017

Grin said:
Let's speak about tano, rippons and pantomime...

Which have all been around for years, so why would anyone speak about them in a thread about innovators? Not enough threads for you to complain about those things elsewhere?

Fresca · Jun 15, 2017

silverfoxes said:
Georgi Kunitsa is definitely an innovator, in my opinion. At least I've never seen anyone skate with such unusual hand/arm movements and very few who can interpret music like this. And he's just 14.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoWxqiEaKhI

Those hand/arm movements are from ethnic dance. You'll find them in a variety of South Asian and Southeast Asian traditional classical dances.

Fresca · Jun 15, 2017

TerpsichoreFS said:
Also deniss Vassiljevs' twizzles (which hanyu has copied in his kobe Chopin if i'm not wrong)

Not quite. Yuzu does his with much more open arms and a torso contraction then opens up with a torso release and arms into ballet 4th. Similar but completely different in effect.

SnowWhite · Jun 15, 2017

TerpsichoreFS said:
Marie France Dubreuil in ice dance is definitely someone I see as innovative.

Also deniss Vassiljevs' twizzles (which hanyu has copied in his kobe Chopin if i'm not wrong)

I remember some commentators talking about how this year she had both V/M and P/C doing mirror choreo that they hadn't seen anyone do before. IIRC, they said it looks like something a choreographer would always want to do, but it's really hard to do well enough to get a good effect.

karne · Jun 15, 2017

Ic3Rabbit said:
He also currently has one of the only if not the only slide spiral in the sport right now. (And best in the business since Robin Cousins )

Um, no he doesn't? Evgenia has a beautiful one (in an I-spiral position, no less!) and Joshua's elegant skid spiral was a feature of his famous Schindler's List ChSq.

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ejnsofi

andromache

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silverfoxes

Ic3Rabbit

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Yatagarasu

skatingfan4ever

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