2017-18 State of Russian Men's skating

Alchamei · Dec 28, 2017

icetug said:
Sometimes details are eye-opening so I just collated PCS of four top skaters at Nationals and their best PCS at GP:

Kolyada SP: GP 44.71/NAT 46.71: +2.0; FS GP 89.20/NAT 94.36: +4.56, together: +6.56
Samarin SP: GP 40.53/NAT 44.67: +4.04; FS GP 79.98/NAT 88.36: +8.38, together: +12.42
Aliev SP: GP 40.32/NAT 42.25: +1.93; FS GP 81.28/NAT 86.64: +5.36, together: +7.29
Voronov SP: GP 42.61/NAT 43.33: +0.72; FS GP 86.92/NAT 86.28: -0.64, together: +0.08.

Seriously, if they got similar PCS as in international field, Sergei might have even won the Silver!

Mods, please, give me the option to swear for one time!

Heleng · Dec 28, 2017

silverfoxes said:
Where are you seeing all this whining about Dima being underscored "left and right"? I haven't seen anything like that on GS.

I think coldblueeyes may have been referring to particular Dmitri fans who have been complaining left and right that Kolyada and Samarin are unfairly overscored while other Russian men are unfairly held down. The implication is pretty clear.

xeyra · Dec 28, 2017

icetug said:
Sometimes details are eye-opening so I just collated PCS of four top skaters at Nationals and their best PCS at GP:

Kolyada SP: GP 44.71/NAT 46.71: +2.0; FS GP 89.20/NAT 94.36: +4.56, together: +6.56
Samarin SP: GP 40.53/NAT 44.67: +4.04; FS GP 79.98/NAT 88.36: +8.38, together: +12.42
Aliev SP: GP 40.32/NAT 42.25: +1.93; FS GP 81.28/NAT 86.64: +5.36, together: +7.29
Voronov SP: GP 42.61/NAT 43.33: +0.72; FS GP 86.92/NAT 86.28: -0.64, together: +0.08.

Poor Voronov.... :disapp:

coldblueeyes · Dec 28, 2017

Heleng said:
I think coldblueeyes may have been referring to particular Dmitri fans who have been complaining left and right that Kolyada and Samarin are unfairly overscored while other Russian men are unfairly held down. The implication is pretty clear.

People see what they want to see, always.

silverfoxes · Dec 28, 2017

Heleng said:
I think coldblueeyes may have been referring to particular Dmitri fans who have been complaining left and right that Kolyada and Samarin are unfairly overscored while other Russian men are unfairly held down. The implication is pretty clear.

The blatant overscoring of those two has nothing to do with Dmitri or Sergei's scores outside of Russia, so no...it's not. I can't think of any occasion when I thought Dima was underscored in recent memory. Obviously he has been injured and his scores were quite fair for what he put out imo.

Heleng · Dec 28, 2017

silverfoxes said:
The blatant overscoring of those two has nothing to do with Dmitri or Sergei's scores outside of Russia, so no...it's not. I can't think of any occasion when I thought Dima was underscored in recent memory. Obviously he has been injured and his scores were quite fair for what he put out imo.

Certain sentiments seemed quite clear heading into Russian nationals, the only head to head w all, that they would be overscored at the expense of Dmitri, but perhaps that wasn't your view.

coldblueeyes · Dec 28, 2017

Heleng said:
Certain sentiments seemed quite clear heading into Russian nationals, the only head to head w all, that they would be overscored at the expense of Dmitri, but perhaps that wasn't your view.

It's probably me who worded it wrong. Some people just show distaste when Misha competes badly, but get silent when he does well. It's all normal around here. This time, though, it wasn't him the one that ended someone else's chances in the Olympics, so the music is playing softly against some skaters, but if it was Misha in third and Sergei in fourth, I'm sure things would be different, and loud.

I for one hope to see all three guys doing their best in Euros, even though I wanted to see Sergei over Sasha, but I can't do anything about that. :confused2:

LRK · Jan 10, 2018

Sergei Voronov comments on his future plans:

http://fs-gossips.com/sergei-voronov-probably-someone-will-laugh-if-i-say-that-i-want-to-continue/

I'm so glad he is considering continuing. I wish... oh, never mind.

anonymoose_au · Jan 12, 2018

LRK said:
Sergei Voronov comments on his future plans:

http://fs-gossips.com/sergei-voronov-probably-someone-will-laugh-if-i-say-that-i-want-to-continue/

I'm so glad he is considering continuing. I wish... oh, never mind.

Sergei is a total inspiration and I applaud him if he considers continuing - and even if he doesn't! Either way I'm sure he'll go down as a legend and be remembered for his tenacity and interesting programs and costumes.

And the Russian Figure Skating Fed can put that in their pipes and smoke it!

Sugarpova · Jan 17, 2018

lmao what a fail this day is really (well except Dima) :laugh:

I need a hug:noshake:

plushyfan · Jan 17, 2018

Sugarpova said:
lmao what a fail this day is really (well except Dima)

I need a hug:noshake:

I'm sending a hug for you! :ghug:

silverfoxes · Jan 17, 2018

https://rsport.ria.ru/figure_skating/20180117/1131249147.html

Why doesn't Plushy say anything about Dima's clean program? He barely clapped for him too. I don't understand...does he have something against Rukavitsin? Dima was so good!

gmyers · Jan 17, 2018

silverfoxes said:
https://rsport.ria.ru/figure_skating/20180117/1131249147.html

Why doesn't Plushy say anything about Dima's clean program? He barely clapped for him too. I don't understand...does he have something against Rukavitsin? Dima was so good!

Aliev planned quad lutz and he didn’t do it so he wasn’t clean.

silverfoxes · Jan 17, 2018

gmyers said:
Aliev planned quad lutz and he didn’t do it so he wasn’t clean.

So what? He had a plan B. He will not do 4Lz in the FS either despite it being on the planned content sheet.

gmyers · Jan 17, 2018

silverfoxes said:
So what? He had a plan B. He will not do 4Lz in the FS either despite it being on the planned content sheet.

It’s just a potential reason Plushenko wasn’t excited about Aliev’s performance. I think he knew because it was in all the Russian press that Aliev was planning quad lutzes at euros so while he did place second it’s not with the intended and most competitive content.

plushyfan · Jan 17, 2018

silverfoxes said:
https://rsport.ria.ru/figure_skating/20180117/1131249147.html

Why doesn't Plushy say anything about Dima's clean program? He barely clapped for him too. I don't understand...does he have something against Rukavitsin? Dima was so good!

Yes, I would like to read it, too

.. Plushy's Russian favorite is Kolyada, and he wasn't clean and Gmyers said Dima wasn't perfect, too. I don't know Plushy has something against Rukavicin..

shmay · Jan 17, 2018

So glad to see Aliev take a big step toward the Olympics. I hope he can hold off Kolyada in the long program too so Russia-non-Russia will need to think about which men to use in the team event.

Step Sequence4 · Jan 17, 2018

If Aliev can hold it together in the FS he’ll certainly give the Russian fed quite the desicion.

Sugarpova · Jan 18, 2018

plushyfan said:
I'm sending a hug for you!

aw thx a lot!:agree:

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Evgeni Plushenko skates with his son, Egor

I didnt know he had another son :laugh:

plushyfan · Jan 18, 2018

Sugarpova said:
aw thx a lot!:agree:

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I didnt know he had another son

He has,

Egor from his first marriage. But he skated with Sasha. :laugh:

2017-18 State of Russian Men's skating

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