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i think of WADA as a joke, after hackers published leaks about Williams sisters/Simone Biles/etc taking a doping "legally".
I thought the sticking point is Russia won’t admit to state sponsored cheating but they do admit to cheating by their testing lab director, who was the original whistleblower.
WADA now has the leaked electronic testing files, which Russia refused to turn over, further confirms their belief of state sponsored doping. Yet Putin now blames the mess a US retaliation and meddling with Russian presidential election. Illogical much.
What’s really troubling to Russian athletes’ participation is they have not been tested or sufficiently tested this year during their preparations for the Olympics, and their top athletes are said to have zero or one test only this year. And now due to the failure of RUSADA to get reinstated, those who got tested will not deem to be reliable and counted. Without continued, early, multiple and random testing history, athletes would be suspected of doping months earlier but stop now. It’s unfair to other clean competitors. I fear chances are not good for Russian athletes get to compete in the Olympics.
i think of WADA as a joke, after hackers published leaks about Williams sisters/Simone Biles/etc taking a doping "legally".
if I remember it correctly a british or Paris lab is doing the testing for the Russians since they got suspended. i may be wrong though
I don't disagree with you however, what you and I don't know is how much tampering and destroying of evidence has happened and is still happening...
In such cases, we have to understand that we, the public, don't know everything that's happened... WADA could be in the situation where they have a lot of evidence adding up but always find that one missing part has been tampered... when you put all these together, your case is not only circumstantial ... but becomes legit.
That won't get much play here. In America taking these amphetamines are so common place that people are surprised and appalled that anyone question it. Our kids learn sports at a young age on these medications and many believe they couldn't do it otherwise and don't see them as performance enhancers.
That still does not make it right imo =)
Because we can use same excuse for meldonium, except it is not even a sport thing. For instance, my father used to take it, my grandma still takes it. Although grandma is happy, she is all "omg i´m a doper now, i´m going to do all the farm work twice as fast".
With all due respect, I'd like to disagree.
Simone Biles, for example, has publicly acknowledged that she has ADHD and takes medication for that, and that that IOC allows that medication to be used.
If you say that people who take medications can't participate, that is so discriminating, especially since many medical conditions are genetic or hereditary or ones that cannot be prevented. If you say, well just stop having them take it during the games, that's potentially life threatening, to come off of such a medication, especially at the most important athletic competition of their lives.
ESPN reported that at least a dozen top Russian winter sports athletes, including some publicly implicated in Russia’s 2014 Sochi doping scandal, were not tested by RUSADA in the first 10 months of this year, according to a list published by RUSADA itself several days ago. And more than 60% of Russian athletes who were tested were tested only once.
Again these are all speculations.
They are asking for an entire nation to be banned so its not unrealistic for people to ask irrefutable evidences, but until then what's being done(governing sport bodies dealing with their own athletes) is fair.
Come out with the irrefutable evidences then lets ban Russia.
Yeah that's a good point. Browsing through various news outlets & commentators on the subject, many seems to think that even if IOC does take action, most likely will it not issue a blanket ban. (Like it didn't issue a blanket ban heading to Rio, leaving it up to the various federations instead.)
I think one of the issues here is that they wish to ban Russia right now because some athletes who are still competing may have benefited from doping.... let' say that all the evidence is collected over the next 10 years... would it be fairer to ban Russia in 10 years... new Russian athletes, clean ones perhaps?
I find that banning now, and start clean and fresh is perhaps not the perfect situation but in the end it is fairer than banning much later.. athletes that have nothing to do with what happened before???
think about it... it aims at removing cheaters...
YMMV but those medals could be disqualified if evidence is uncovered. I don’t think the evidence is strong enough to suggest the majority were or are doping. That’s where we are. Casting large dispersions seems to be a guarantee of unfairness in many ways.
RUSADA has conducted 3,782 tests thus far in 2017. Two-thirds of the athletes on the list were tested only once. Less than 12 percent (299 athletes) were tested three times or more. The total test numbers are up from 2,556 in 2016 but in both quantity and focus are inadequate for a country with the resources -- and past history -- of Russian sport, according to several sports and anti-doping officials contacted by ESPN.
And this is why we should have had a thorough study in meldonium, for example, before banning athletes. But that wasn't done. Simone Biles was allowed to compete and win her medals, completely fairly, might I say. Other athletes didn't have the same chance.
I think one of the issues here is that they wish to ban Russia right now because some athletes who are still competing may have benefited from doping.... let' say that all the evidence is collected over the next 10 years... would it be fairer to ban Russia in 10 years... new Russian athletes, clean ones perhaps?
I find that banning now, and start clean and fresh is perhaps not the perfect situation but in the end it is fairer than banning much later.. athletes that have nothing to do with what happened before???
think about it... it aims at removing cheaters...
When someone commits a crime, as far as I understand, they are not punished until they have evidence that that person committed the crime, why is it different in this case? because it's a sport?.
When someone commits a crime, as far as I understand, they are not punished until they have evidence that that person committed the crime, why is it different in this case? because it's a sport?.
There is evident systemic doping by the federation. We are not looking at individuals here but at a federation. If the federation is guilty, all components of it could be seen as guilty.