"Remake" Programs?

crazydreamer · Dec 13, 2017

I am not aware of any instance in which a skater has essentially done a "remake" of a prior program by an earlier skater, in the way you often see "remakes" of Hollywood movies.

Although I am not a fan of the Hollywood version, I actually think it would be really interesting to see a skater do a modernized version of an iconic figure-skating program. It would have to be updated with modern content to be competitive, of course. But you could imitate the costume and many of the choreographic elements. I actually think it could be very artistic and interesting. The skater would have to get permission from the original choreographer and skater, of course.

Ic3Rabbit · Dec 13, 2017

crazydreamer said:
I am not aware of any instance in which a skater has essentially done a "remake" of a prior program by an earlier skater, in the way you often see "remakes" of Hollywood movies.

Although I am not a fan of the Hollywood version, I actually think it would be really interesting to see a skater do a modernized version of an iconic figure-skating program. It would have to be updated with modern content to be competitive, of course. But you could imitate the costume and many of the choreographic elements. I actually think it could be very artistic and interesting. The skater would have to get permission from the original choreographer and skater, of course.

The only place I've ever seen this really done is on the Stars on Ice tours. Whenever they hit an anniversary year like in 2016 they do little remakes of iconic programs from that show. Competitively no.

chillgil · Dec 14, 2017

I could see Lambiel's Poeta working very nicely on Javi or Misha Ge but it just wouldn't be worth it if they cant do that last combo spin just as fast as it should be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE1_0xd9A4k&t=312s

Barb · Dec 14, 2017

crazydreamer said:
I am not aware of any instance in which a skater has essentially done a "remake" of a prior program by an earlier skater, in the way you often see "remakes" of Hollywood movies.

Although I am not a fan of the Hollywood version, I actually think it would be really interesting to see a skater do a modernized version of an iconic figure-skating program. It would have to be updated with modern content to be competitive, of course. But you could imitate the costume and many of the choreographic elements. I actually think it could be very artistic and interesting. The skater would have to get permission from the original choreographer and skater, of course.

I would love to see that. Not a competitive program but Mao and Jeffrey B. skated to Bolero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z5BVy75Qmo&t=7s

Sam-Skwantch · Dec 14, 2017

chapis said:
I would love to see that. Not a competitive program but Mao and Jeffrey B. skated to Bolero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z5BVy75Qmo&t=7s

Lol...I was just about to post the same thing :laugh:

So....here is an off ice tribute via mass bolero.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8WOO6qoEcgo

gkelly · Dec 14, 2017

Pro/show/Ice Theatre example:
Twyla Tharp choreographed After All for John Curry in the 1970s; David Liu performed it 30 years later, but I can't find a video online

Torvill & Dean, Missing
adapted for competition skated by the Duchesnays
sequel

recent tribute

Vanessa Gusmeroli jewel thief freeskate
IJS short program tribute

And then there was Brandon Forsyth skating the same program with
Emilie Nussear
and Jessica Joseph

teamgoldengeese · Dec 14, 2017

Misha Ge did a tribute to Daisuke Takahashi for The Ice a few years back where he performed parts of his old programs.
https://youtu.be/pbLNBpqFgXc

andromache · Dec 14, 2017

I'd love to see a COP version of Lyra Angelica or Baiul's Swan Lake.

gkelly · Dec 14, 2017

How much of a program needs to be the same to consider it the same program?

At what point is it a remake, and at what point is it just the same music and similar concept with different steps, different elements, etc.?

AnalyticalMind · Dec 14, 2017

I'm surprised Sui and Han's Turandot hasn't come up as a clear tribute to Shen and Zhao's iconic 2002/3 program to the same music. Zhao obviously coaches Sui/Han, but the costuming is very similar and the choreography also has very similar "moments".

It's the only example of a pretty explicit "remake" program I can think of off the top of my head, but I think it makes sense that it's rare in that people don't want to come off as a [legendary skater] knockoff. Interesting move by Sui and Han though, since it's this subtle message to the judges that they're the next legendary Chinese pair.

GGFan · Dec 14, 2017

gkelly said:
How much of a program needs to be the same to consider it the same program?

At what point is it a remake, and at what point is it just the same music and similar concept with different steps, different elements, etc.?

I love that you threw those big philosophical questions out like they're easy to answer

People still have not figured out this paradox and I doubt we will here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus :biggrin:

Sam-Skwantch · Dec 14, 2017

gkelly said:
How much of a program needs to be the same to consider it the same program?

At what point is it a remake, and at what point is it just the same music and similar concept with different steps, different elements, etc.?

Interesting....Serafima just did Concierto de Aranjueznd and it's not a remake but considering it was once a program of her coach I'm sure there is some sort of connection or familiarity there. It does seem like a master is passing on a tradition to his pupil and there just seems to be something very cool happening in this program. Thank you Mr Plushenko.

https://youtu.be/tayqLTWWuLU

mrrice · Dec 14, 2017

I'd love to see Evgenia remake Maria Butyrskaya's Otonol LP from 1999.......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeOhQYVW_WI

iluvtodd · Dec 15, 2017

Doug Mattis (now a coach) did a very funny tribute to various figure skaters' skating styles in the mid 1990's.

When Scott Hamilton returned to the ice following his cancer surgery in 1997, a number of skaters did a tribute to him by skating to parts of his iconic pro programs (complete with similar costumes to those programs).

Procrastinator · Dec 15, 2017

Didn't someone last season plan to do a battle of the brians themed free skate? Like, incorporating Napoleon and The Bolt

lappo · Dec 15, 2017

iluvtodd said:
Doug Mattis (now a coach) did a very funny tribute to various figure skaters' skating styles in the mid 1990's.

When Scott Hamilton returned to the ice following his cancer surgery in 1997, a number of skaters did a tribute to him by skating to parts of his iconic pro programs (complete with similar costumes to those programs).

Many thanks for this, I saw this program much time ago, liked it but completely forgotten who the skater was...gonna rewatch soon!!! :agree:

yume · Dec 15, 2017

I would love Hanyu on Plushenko's Carmen or ninjiski.
Wakaba Higuchi on Kim's Danse macabre
Deniss Vassiljevs on Yagudin's man in an iron mask (but the quads....)
A cute little junior on Midori Ito 1988 OG LP. And it did have already a modern technical content.

iluvtodd · Dec 16, 2017

Procrastinator said:
Didn't someone last season plan to do a battle of the brians themed free skate? Like, incorporating Napoleon and The Bolt

2 seasons ago as a US junior, Alexey Krasnofshon (who will compete as a brand new US senior) skated to a program based on the "Battle of the Brians," complete with a costume similar to Brian B'.s' "Napoleon" costume & Brian Orser's "The Bolt" music! We got to see the program in the summer of 2015 @ the Philadelphia International Summer Competition (formerly known as "Liberty") in Aston, PA.

draqq · Dec 16, 2017

I would say that Jeffrey Buttle remade his Ararat program from 2007 to 2008 with a lot of different choreography and jumping pass placement.

Not sure if Michelle Kwan's "East of Eden" counts, but she did it as a long program in 1994 before becoming an exhibition free skate in 1998, before becoming a short program in 2001. (I'll try to think of more...)

plushyfan · Dec 16, 2017

yume said:
I would love Hanyu on Plushenko's Carmen or ninjiski.
Wakaba Higuchi on Kim's Danse macabre
Deniss Vassiljevs on Yagudin's man in an iron mask (but the quads....)
A cute little junior on Midori Ito 1988 OG LP. And it did have already a modern technical content.

I would like Aliev on Plush's Nijinsky

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