Olympic Games Tech Panels and Judges

Yatagarasu · Jan 1, 2018

combinationspin said:
Oh No at the Ladies’ panel. IMO the technical specialist and her assistant did a terrible job (worst of the GP) for the Ladies’ event at Skate America overlooking several URs and edge calls. I hope there won‘t be controversy after the Olympics about tech calls that should have been made but weren‘t.

When I heard that the tech panel from SA is going to the Olympics, I just laughed.

They're horrid, just plain horrid. I don't even want to think how much trouble that can bring.

Macassar88 · Jan 1, 2018

combinationspin said:
Oh No at the Ladies’ panel. IMO the technical specialist and her assistant did a terrible job (worst of the GP) for the Ladies’ event at Skate America overlooking several URs and edge calls. I hope there won‘t be controversy after the Olympics about tech calls that should have been made but weren‘t.

Wow... thanks for bringing this up. Such a pity - if anything tey should find the toughest technical callers to preside over the Olympics, since it's the most prestigious event. I think the only happy person will be Satoko, who now has a great shot at medalling.

Hevari · Jan 2, 2018

exerym said:
Did they doped?

Mayra Abasova involved in Golden Spin controversy... for me she shold be removed from the list. And this slot reallocated to the next availible country...

pearly · Jan 2, 2018

How come there are so many repeated panels? Do they usually tend to judge together or how does it work? I thought it was completely random.

Li'Kitsu · Jan 2, 2018

pearly said:
How come there are so many repeated panels? Do they usually tend to judge together or how does it work? I thought it was completely random.

No, usually there is no "certain panels tend to judge together", but for big events like the Olympics the GPs were likely test events. They specifically brought that panel together before the Olympics to see how they would do. Which makes it all the more ridiculous they went with IMO the two worst panels of the whole GP :palmf:

samkrut@mail.ru · Jan 2, 2018

Li'Kitsu said:
No, usually there is no "certain panels tend to judge together", but for big events like the Olympics the GPs were likely test events. They specifically brought that panel together before the Olympics to see how they would do. Which makes it all the more ridiculous they went with IMO the two worst panels of the whole GP

A lenient panel is sort of OK if they are lenient to everyone. Satoko will be the biggest winner with all her URs not called. But flutzing and lipping ladies like Medvedeva, Osmond, and Daleman will get a break as well.

I think with Satoko's consistency to land underrotated jumps and to project good artistry she is almost a lock for the podium if she is not called.

Macassar88 · Jan 2, 2018

Which is the other panel besides Skam for the ladies?

Yatagarasu · Jan 2, 2018

[email protected] said:
I think with Satoko's consistency to land underrotated jumps and to project good artistry she is almost a lock for the podium if she is not called.

There is not enough vodka in this world for all of this. Sigh.

Baron Vladimir · Jan 2, 2018

[email protected] said:
A lenient panel is sort of OK if they are lenient to everyone. Satoko will be the biggest winner with all her URs not called. But flutzing and lipping ladies like Medvedeva, Osmond, and Daleman will get a break as well.

I think with Satoko's consistency to land underrotated jumps and to project good artistry she is almost a lock for the podium if she is not called.

Ashley can benefit too. Caro and probably Zagi will be in disadvantage because of that.

Yatagarasu · Jan 2, 2018

Baron Vladimir said:
Ashley can benefit too. Caro and probably Zagi will be in disadvantage because of that.

Karen, or Mirai as well. If she ends up going, with her 3A, and a lenient panel, especially as she has upped her tech, Mirai would be interesting to watch in that case.

Miss Ice · Jan 2, 2018

combinationspin said:
Oh No at the Ladies’ panel. IMO the technical specialist and her assistant did a terrible job (worst of the GP) for the Ladies’ event at Skate America overlooking several URs and edge calls. I hope there won‘t be controversy after the Olympics about tech calls that should have been made but weren‘t.

Beautiful set-up for overlooking Medvedeva's flutz and Zagitova's URs. I think Satoko's PCS will be held back even if she skates 100% clean, and would probably lose to a non-clean Medvedeva/Zagitova. Carolina and the American ladies have no hope here. We've already seen PCS be a deciding factor in Olympic and GP medals, so I think it's almost funny people think tech scores will have much of an effect on the outcome.

samkrut@mail.ru · Jan 2, 2018

Baron Vladimir said:
Ashley can benefit too. Caro and probably Zagi will be in disadvantage because of that.

Caro can be at disadvantage only if she goes clean with 7 triple FS and loses to Zagitova. Well, I don't believe that this is going to happen - that might be called another controversial scandal. But up until now the only real controversy is Caro's own scores for 4 triple only programs.

Zagitova won't be at disadvantage. She, I think, is going to lose to clean Medvedeva (no one can beat clean Medvedeva!) whether Evgeniya is called or not. I think, the only serious "what if" is what if Osmond is clean? Then lutz calls could make a difference that would mean who is getting the podium with what color of medals. If Osmond wins over Zagitova within a point not being called for Lutz then one could argue that Alina was at disadvantage.

Baron Vladimir · Jan 2, 2018

[email protected] said:
Caro can be at disadvantage only if she goes clean with 7 triple FS and loses to Zagitova. Well, I don't believe that this is going to happen - that might be called another controversial scandal. But up until now the only real controversy is Caro's own scores for 4 triple only programs.

I put Caro and probably Zagi on one side as the one who usually perform clean triples and compare them to all the others who sometimes have edge/UR problems... Performing only 4 triples is different subject, but if all 4 triple jumps with other double jumps are cleanly done with proper tehnique i dont see a problem why that shouldnt be awarded. I dont believe Sotnikova won over Yuna just because she had one more triple, but because some of her jumps had exceptional quality and she spinned better also, her tech elements looked very good overal. Also, Yuna won Olympics over Mao just because her jumps had better overal quality, even Mao performed triple axels. Performance doesnt depend that much on number of rotation, but of general ability to jump. If you watch lets say Caro and Satoko neck to neck, you will have better impression of Caro double jumps than Satoko triple jumps, and that impression is awarded in Caro case, while Satoko impression of the programme could suffer just because she doesnt jump well, no matter what type of jumps are there and how many rotations she put in it.

Li'Kitsu · Jan 2, 2018

Everyone will get a free pass on something with a lenient panel, that is true, but I think there are quite stark contrasts in by how much. One missing e isn't the same as three missing <'s. So I guess chances of a controversial result are there, although as long as the most likely 4 do well (Evgenia, Alina, Caro, Kaet) they will make up the podium, no matter under which panel. However, if two falter... The biggest winner is definitely Satoko, that panel gave her the SA title despite her URs already. Then the US ladies, especially Ashley and maybe Mirai. Despite their edge issues, I'm sorry for Gabby and Kaori who I think lose out the most with this panel. Their jumps are usually round and they don't have the PCS advantage of the faves that might negate the "robbed" technical advantage.

Corwin · Jan 2, 2018

Technical Delegates:

Alexander LAKERNIK
Marie LUNDMARK
Peter KRICK

Sam-Skwantch · Jan 2, 2018

Corwin said:
Technical Delegates:

Alexander LAKERNIK
Marie LUNDMARK
Peter KRICK

Your avatar :love:

VIETgrlTerifa · Jan 2, 2018

I'm not surprised that they are using more lenient panels (if they are indeed lenient) for the Olympics. I find the Olympics is a competition where they sort of encourage giving skaters the benefit of the doubt unless a technical error is too egregious to ignore because of the nature of the competition. The ISU probably wants to avoid results and calls that will confuse the general audience. Since it's the Skate America panel, if Ashley and/or Karen make the Oly team, they need to rotate like they've never rotated before.

MiRé · Jan 2, 2018

Med's is lucky she won't get her Flutz called under Susan. What a shame

OS · Jan 2, 2018

VIETgrlTerifa said:
I'm not surprised that they are using more lenient panels (if they are indeed lenient) for the Olympics. I find the Olympics is a competition where they sort of encourage giving skaters the benefit of the doubt unless a technical error is too egregious to ignore because of the nature of the competition. The ISU probably wants to avoid results and calls that will confuse the general audience. Since it's the Skate America panel, if Ashley and/or Karen make the Oly team, they need to rotate like they've never rotated before.

This really penalise those work hard to achieve good techniques, attack to achieve big beautiful jumps with no pre rotation and good edges. This only benefit federations but not the sport... why bother perfect your techniques anymore? Just backload everything and add tons of miming and tanos/rippons, voila!

I am glad they are ensuring a more balanced panel compare to previous couple of years and the last Olympics, although the FS panel will be the key... who get swapped in and out.

combinationspin · Jan 2, 2018

VIETgrlTerifa said:
I'm not surprised that they are using more lenient panels (if they are indeed lenient) for the Olympics. I find the Olympics is a competition where they sort of encourage giving skaters the benefit of the doubt unless a technical error is too egregious to ignore because of the nature of the competition. The ISU probably wants to avoid results and calls that will confuse the general audience. Since it's the Skate America panel, if Ashley and/or Karen make the Oly team, they need to rotate like they've never rotated before.

Yeah, they want huge scores and records like the ones the winners in Sochi got. They want things to seem spectacular because it’s more marketable. But for the athletes it’s quite unfair to be told ‘your technique is fine according to our system’ at one competition and then ‘your technique is severely flawed’ the at next competition.

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Li'Kitsu

[email protected]

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Yatagarasu

Baron Vladimir

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Li'Kitsu

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