2018 US Men's Oly/World/4CC team announced

Miss Ice · Jan 7, 2018

Warwick360 said:
I am FURIOUS for him. By the piss poor argument that they presented, Ashley really should be going over Karen, since Karen has not even won one single GP medal in the past Olympics cycle. To send Zhou over Ross and then to have Brown over 1st alternate. This has left me Furious times infinity. :ddevil:

Ashley won the Skate Canada medal with 183 points. Karen at Skate America had 182.3 pretty much the same score, but the Skate America field was a lot deeper. If Ashley had continued to skate the FS with the mistakes at Skate America her placement would probably be around where Karen was. And the "body of work" would actually be very comparable. :noshake:

Combine that with Karen's 4th place at Worlds (when it counted!) and 1st place last Nationals, it just made sense..

alvina9894 · Jan 7, 2018

Anyone want to bet on the number of UR calls Vincent Zhou would get in OG?

Yatagarasu · Jan 7, 2018

Anyasnake said:
By the way, people who say that "Nationals are useless for Olympic selection" : Vincent earn his spot THANKS to nationals. Everybody thought it would be Jason otherwise. Please, be consistent in your words.

Ah but you could argue he didn't earn it. His PCS were a miraculous gift by the federation that saved him. If he had gotten what he gets internationally, then he would not have gotten the spot.

So basically Nationals are very convenient to get who you want. You prop up the right ones, disregard what you don't like and off you go. It does actually make them meaningless, in the sense that it's for the most part, already predetermined who would go.

And I've been saying here for months that Vincent would be at the Olympics because the Fed wants him. Yes, the Fed wanted him and they got him.

xeyra · Jan 7, 2018

Congratulations to the Olympic men's team. Absolutely the correct decision (and more logical) even if it's a sad situation for Ross.

PyeongChang2018 · Jan 7, 2018

Anyasnake said:
By the way, people who say that "Nationals are useless for Olympic selection" : Vincent earn his spot THANKS to nationals. Everybody thought it would be Jason otherwise. Please, be consistent in your words.

But Ross beat him doe.

labgoat · Jan 7, 2018

I wish the Feds would have let the Nationals winners enjoy their victories and waited until all the events were concluded before announcing world and Olympic spots especially since selections may be influenced by the team event. Better to know the pool you have to choose from and making sure the same rules are applied across all disciplines to avoid problems.

college pat · Jan 7, 2018

the point being that should have chosen ashley based on her 2 year body of work over mirai, karen , or even bradie chose not to.
so who finished 2nd mirai-but mirai beat ashley this year- bradie beat them all
that left karen chen who beat ashley at last years nationals & worlds.

adam beat ross the past two season,
nathan beat adam

vincent was in juniors
vincent beat adam at nationals.

mikeko666 · Jan 7, 2018

USFS and NBC should have announced beforehand who would never been chosen unless they beat Nathan. :laugh:

Mrs. P · Jan 7, 2018

Average scores for the sake of discussion:
2017-2018
Chen 281.57
Rippon 259.44
Brown 255.66
Aaron 252.82
Zhou 242.96
Miner 224.43 (7th)

2016-2017
Chen 279.39
Brown 255.21
Rippon 252.58
Zhou 232.81
Aaron 230.80
Miner 208.10 (10th).

When you look at it that way... you see the logic somewhat (still don't really agree necessarily).

louisa05 · Jan 7, 2018

Crossover said:
I thought Mai Mihara was treated unfairly just because she bombed in her SP and deserves more the "prestigious" 4th than Karen with a lot of URs. There were strong voices about Karen and Ashley's uncalled URs that should've not kept their 3 spots for Olympics. This is why there are so many jokes about "Should US give Japan their 3rd spot!". Moreover, it is quite funny to hear that some people treat Karen as the sole contributor to keep 3 spots. She didn't win the title nor silver as a sole US participant at Worlds to earn 3 spots like Yuna Kim at 2013 Worlds. If Ashley had been below more than 9th, there would be NO 3 spots. Karen's sudden held-up despite her obvious URs made her 4th at Worlds.

But all of those possible judging motivations and how many spots another country has or who was held up aren't in the selection criteria. The criteria itself is not subjective, it says "placement at previous worlds" not "the committee's and fan forum participants' perceptions of the underlying circumstances that perhaps influenced the skater's placement at the previous worlds".

I love Ashley. I am gutted for her. But if she had beat Karen last year at either Nationals or Worlds, she'd probably be going to the Olympics again. Because that is the criteria, not how anyone feels about either result.

Warwick360 · Jan 7, 2018

As minutes tick by, I am not only FURIOUS but also very SALTY. At this current moment, I really hope US team won't podium for the Oly team, just to rile the USFA. There's me and my bitterness for the day. :bed:

Anyasnake · Jan 7, 2018

Yatagarasu said:
Ah but you could argue he didn't earn it. His PCS were a miraculous gift by the federation that saved him. If he had gotten what he gets internationally, then he would not have gotten the spot.

So basically Nationals are very convenient to get who you want. You prop up the right ones, disregard what you don't like and off you go. It does actually make them meaningless, in the sense that it's for the most part, already predetermined who would go.

And I've been saying here for months that Vincent would be at the Olympics because the Fed wants him. Yes, the Fed wanted him and they got him.

He did earn it. That we like it or not a 4-quad programs is big (5 if not for the last one). I'd argue that both Miner and Vincent were gifted in PCS, vincent lost 20 points on TES on Urs that Miner wasn't called for. But then 2nd vs 3rd place you have to still look at the rest of the criterias and frankly, Miner is out.

What I don't get are the alternates though, and it's where you make a point : Ross 2nd, Jason1st, and Max ?? Where is Grant in all of this ?

college pat · Jan 7, 2018

Congratulations to All 3 who made team.

Nathan Chen,
Vincent Zhou
Adam Rippon

great job.

Yatagarasu · Jan 7, 2018

Mrs. P said:
When you look at it that way... you see the logic somewhat (still don't really agree necessarily).

Actually when you look at that, what stands out is how much Vincent is the one who was propped up and pushed into the spot. It's not Adam that is the issue, the real issue is Vincent and I do feel sorry for Ross, in that regard.

mrrice · Jan 7, 2018

GGFan said:
If I were Ross I don't think Adam being put on the team would bother me but I would be side eyeing the fed hard for Vincent (who I like). That seems like a play for the future if there were ever one and the case is not as compelling. Just thinking out loud here . . .

What bothers me is that Nathan is quite young himself and represents the present and the future. Vincent is fresh out of Juniors and this was Ross's last chance to be an Olympian. He laid it down when it counted and for the committee to leave the Silver Medalist at home doesn't make sense to me.

Is Ross on the World Team??

PyeongChang2018 · Jan 7, 2018

Anyasnake said:
He did earn it. That we like it or not a 4-quad programs is big (5 if not for the last one). I'd argue that both Miner and Vincent were gifted in PCS, vincent lost 20 points on TES on Urs that Miner wasn't called for. But then 2nd vs 3rd place you have to still look at the rest of the criterias and frankly, Miner is out.

What I don't get are the alternates though, and it's where you make a point : Ross 2nd, Jason1st, and Max ?? Where is Grant in all of this ?

I literally can't recall a single moment of choreography Zhou did off the top of my head. I can't say the same for anyone else who placed 1-5 in the women's and men's competitions. It just seemed like a very empty program, and his PCS was very high...

yyyskate · Jan 7, 2018

alvina9894 said:
Anyone want to bet on the number of UR calls Vincent Zhou would get in OG?

Only LESS than the calls Vince get at this time (2018 nationals)

Let's wait and see!!!

StitchMonkey · Jan 7, 2018

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS9BrGdVoAAs0yq.jpg:large

Well Ross got 4CC at least?

Mrs. P · Jan 7, 2018

https://twitter.com/icenetwork/status/950050289234489346

Worlds is same as Olympics, including alternate order.

Jason, Ross and Max are going to 4CC

Alex Krasnozhon, Tomoki Hiwtashi and Camden Pulkinen for Jr. Worlds. Dinh Tran, Andrew Torgashev and Maxim Narmov are alternates (not in any certain order)

sabinfire · Jan 7, 2018

mrrice said:
Is Ross on the World Team??

My guess would be no Ross for Worlds, otherwise they likely would have announced it along with this other news in order to try to offset the disappointment in a non-selection.

2018 US Men's Oly/World/4CC team announced

Miss Ice

Let the sky fall~

alvina9894

Yatagarasu

xeyra

Constant state

PyeongChang2018

labgoat

Done updating WJC rewatches!

college pat

mikeko666

Mrs. P

Uno, Dos, twizzle!

louisa05

Warwick360

Anyasnake

college pat

Yatagarasu

mrrice

PyeongChang2018

yyyskate

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Mrs. P

Uno, Dos, twizzle!

sabinfire

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