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Thread: Jackson Freestyles vs. Riedell 225 Motion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cirrusate View Post
    NEVER GET A TWO PART BLADE SUCH AS JACKSON ULTIMA MATRIX LEGACY. I have heard horror stories of falling screws and rattling blades, so I just would not risk it since the blade profile is nothing amazing.
    By a two-part blade, I assume you really mean a blade in which the parts are not brazed together. After all, traditional blade designs, including the Eclipse Aurora, are typically fabricated from three parts: a blade body including the runner and stanchions, a heel plate, and a sole plate; the heel plate and the sole plate are attached to the blade body typically by brazing. So, if your complaint is really aimed against multi-part blades in which the parts are not brazed together, your sweeping generalization is not valid. As mentioned by at least one other poster, there were problems with the Ultima Matrix I, which was designed to have removable, interchangeable runners. Jackson dropped that design. The current Ultima Matrix II is no longer designed to accommodate removable, interchangeable runners, but still uses screw fasteners. The Eclipse Quantum uses screw fasteners. The Wilson and MK Revolution models use some sort of separate fasteners (don't know the details). The Paramounts and Eclipse Titanium models do not use separate fasteners. Given that elite champions are performing quads on blades with non-brazed assemblies, it's evident that your sweeping generalization is not valid. As often is the case, the devil is in the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis View Post

    I tried out a pair of the new Jackson Freestyles from my local pro shop first--the person who fitted me insisted that my current skates were the right size, so I tried them in that size. Turns out, I really should not have listened to him--not only were they too big, in trying to tie them tight enough to mimic the correct size, the laces ripped open my left hand in three different places.

    I measured myself at home, and according to the size chart, I was actually a full size smaller. When I went back in to the pro shop to explain the situation, he had me try out that smaller size--in a Riedell. It actually really well, though because I have a wider toe box and narrower heels (the reason I went with Jacksons in the first place!), I had to try them out in a wide size.

    He might just be traumatized from having me bring the skates back with evidence that they really were too big, but since I tried on and liked the size of the Riedells, he's really pushing for me to buy the Riedell 225 Motion. I'm sympathetic to his point that I've struggled in finding a boot that feels good, and since I know the Riedell in that size and width does, I should go with that. That said, I went with the Jackson Freestyle for a lot of good reasons (the cushy interior! the wide toe box and narrow heel! the decent pre-attached blade!), and I'm worried about switching.

    Here's what I would love some thoughts on:

    1. Stiffness: I'm still learning single jumps, beginning spins, and some of the harder turns. When I put the Freestyles on, I was OVERWHELMED by how stiff they were--it felt like I was trying to splint my ankle in comparison to my worn in, plastic skates. (And I would have kept the plastic skates through all of my single jumps, if the fit wasn't getting so irritating!) The Freestyles are only a 45 in stiffness, though, while the 225 Motion is 70. I'm worried I won't be able to bend my knees or lace them properly. That said, I hate buying anything for my feet, and I would love to learn an axel some day (a genuinely possible goal), so if buying a better boot is a smart long-term strategy, I'm interested.

    2. Sizing: the pro shop guy insists that the Jackson and Riedell sizes match up really closely, but I'm not as inclined to trust him now (sadly, I can't just go somewhere else, because this is the only pro shop in town, and I do want to support him since he may end up eating the cost of the Freestyles that didn't work out for me). According to their size charts, they're very close (within 1/8"-2/8"), but I've heard that Jacksons run a little bigger, so if anyone knows about that. Similarly--I was wearing the Riedell in Wide, which according to the Kinsie's Closet chart, is about the same as a Jackson width C, but I've heard that Jackson's run wide in the toe box.

    3. Blade: If I do end up going with the Riedell, should I upgrade from the default Eclipse Astra blade? I don't know a ton about blades, but the Aspire XP that's on the Freestyles has a larger pick and seems to have a better "reputation" as a blade.
    There are a couple of key points in your post that aren't clear to me.

    Stiffness. Note that there is no industry wide standard for boot stiffness. So, e.g., a Jackson stiffness of 50 is not necessarily the same as a Riedell stiffness of 50. Also, for a given brand, it's not clear how much stiffer, e.g., a 70 is than a 50. You mentioned that you actually tried on the models of Jackson and Riedell that you are comparing. So rather than worrying about stiffness ratings, why don't you just go by how they feel?

    Size. As I understand it, your first pair of Jackson was too big. You went for a smaller size; but instead of offering you a smaller size of Jackson to try on, your tech had you try on a smaller size of Riedell. Why? Just because he had the smaller size of Riedell in stock, but not the Jackson? If so, that's not a good reason. Also, are the Jackson Freestyle the new, recently introduced model? It is synthetic, instead of leather. It is also formed on the Elite last, which is stock split width, with the heel one width narrower than the toe. Sounds like what you're looking for.

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    Thank you! This is so helpful. I actually couldn't try on the Riedell Motion, because they didn't have the right size/model combination in stock for me, so I ended up trying on the Diamond. When the fitter suggested I just go with Riedell, since I knew that size fit, I told him I would only consider going with Riedell if I could get a boot that was as comfortable as the Freestyle, which is how we landed on the Motion.

    The Freestyle that I tried IS the new model! It's great to know that it's a split width (and this, um, kind of feels like the kind of thing that the fitter should have been able to tell me...), and it makes me think that I should order the B/C size. My coach was impressed by how stiff and light it was, and I think it could be a good, long term skate, if I can ever get one that fits.

    (Related: I think part of this is probably my fault, since this is the second fitter--I bought my old skates in another town--who I've had a hard time getting to take me seriously. Both of them have seemed really out of step when what I've read online, and have been HORRIFIED that I would do outside research before buying skates. Maybe I just come across as an easy mark? I'm happy to spend on a quality product, and I could probably have been upsold to a more expensive Jackson boot, but I just want something that fits.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis View Post
    I actually couldn't try on the Riedell Motion, because they didn't have the right size/model combination in stock for me, so I ended up trying on the Diamond. When the fitter suggested I just go with Riedell, since I knew that size fit, I told him I would only consider going with Riedell if I could get a boot that was as comfortable as the Freestyle, which is how we landed on the Motion.
    I will tell you from our own experience with different boots within the Riedell range:

    My skater wore Riedell instructional boots for a while (Stride and Edge). These are meant for figure skating and for doing jumps. Because my skater enjoys skating in outdoor rinks, I always buy a used pair of skates OR a low-level recreational skate to use for this purpose. My skater tried on the Diamond and Emerald in the same size that we had of the Edge and DID NOT like the fit or find it comparable. Because the Motion is going to be way more padded than the Diamond, you may find that you can't judge the comfort or fit of the Motion from the Diamond. Really, I think you need to try on the Motions before you commit to them. If you think you are going with the Jackson, then its not an issue, but I don't like the idea of buying something you can't try on.

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