2018-19 Japanese Ladies' figure skating
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I really liked Nana's SP at the JGP in Ostravia especially her high, powerful and long jumps and the one handed Biellmann. She was obviously deflated and underscored in both tech and PCS. She was also underscored in the LP and gave a nice performance overall except for the double salchow.
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Since the GPF and JGPF started to be organized together
2018-2019 JGPF: no ladies qualified
2017-2018 JGPF: Rika Kihira
2016-2017 JGPF: Kaori Sakamoto, Rika Kihira, Marin Honda
2015-2016 JGPF: Marin Honda, Yuna Shiraiwa, Mai Mihara
2014-2015 JGPF: Wakaba Higuchi, Yuka Nagai, Miyu Nakashio
2013-2014 JGPF: no ladies qualified
2012-2013 JGPF: Satoko Miyahara
2011-2012 JGPF: Risa Shoji
2010-2011 JGPF: Risa Shoji
2009-2010 JGPF: Kanako Murakami
2008-2009 JGPF: Yukiko Fujisawa, Kanako Murakami
2018-2019 JGPF: no ladies qualified
2017-2018 JGPF: Rika Kihira
2016-2017 JGPF: Kaori Sakamoto, Rika Kihira, Marin Honda
2015-2016 JGPF: Marin Honda, Yuna Shiraiwa, Mai Mihara
2014-2015 JGPF: Wakaba Higuchi, Yuka Nagai, Miyu Nakashio
2013-2014 JGPF: no ladies qualified
2012-2013 JGPF: Satoko Miyahara
2011-2012 JGPF: Risa Shoji
2010-2011 JGPF: Risa Shoji
2009-2010 JGPF: Kanako Murakami
2008-2009 JGPF: Yukiko Fujisawa, Kanako Murakami
Exactly.
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Hmm. I wasn't fan of Araki's performances, but I might agree that she didn't get the TES she deserved. Her programs are seriously not good, and she (especially for her age) came off as very much lacking in refinement and performance abilities.
EDIT: Her footwork in her SP wasn't that great, either. Are we talking just jump GOEs?
EDIT: Her footwork in her SP wasn't that great, either. Are we talking just jump GOEs?
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i think Shiika Yoshioka might be leading junior lady next season, she only need to emote more to get higher PCS and try to get higher GOE on her jumps but beside that she's good! Her consistency also wasnt bad. This is why i have faith in her, there are many junior ladies who can do beautiful 3-3, even -3Lo combo etc, but mosf of them can't put it together in competition.
i dont get why Nana getting low GOE on her jumps, even her spin. that one handed biellman in layback spin was so good! she need work in PCS though like Shiika. Nana PCS department not much improved from last season imo. if she's clean she's still a threat
i dont get why Nana getting low GOE on her jumps, even her spin. that one handed biellman in layback spin was so good! she need work in PCS though like Shiika. Nana PCS department not much improved from last season imo. if she's clean she's still a threat
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Yeah, this is my view. Jumps are good, spins are fine. Everything else, not so much.
Shiika's toe jump entry looks weird to me.
By the way her coach was once an ISU-technical specialist.
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In the SP, I agree that Nana's speed in crispness in turning while skating could improve and some of her spins could be faster, but she deserved higher PCS especially relative to the other competitors (obviously higher than 7th place in the SP for example), just as the excellent height and distance of her jumps and the one handed Biellman should have given her far higher GOE since this represents the vast majority of the tech points, yet her tech score is far lower than the winner of the SP, Alena, even though she made an obvious mistake and started from a lower base tech score, which demonstrates that the PCS deflation is an example of "consistency" in deflation across categories with he tech deflation providing the basis for objective evidence. In my view, this is a technique the ISU often uses.
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Ting is better performer here, she falls 3 times and that disrupt performance but she did deliver the performance and stay really comitted to the music, doing all the hand gesture and choreo. Nana only popped salchow but you can clearly see she didn't really pay attention to detail and didn really feel the music, her expression too a bit lacking imo. Idk its all subjective in the end i guess. Nana jumps and spins was so underscored and i agree with that though.
I don't have the same opinion about Cui's program. But you're right. It's all subjective.
Nana will surely be in the last JGP. I just hope that she will skate clean, so even if she get low scores she will have no regrets.
I think that more than refinement or performance ability, she lacks it factor. Like Mai. No matter how consistent, good jumper, good spinner, how clean her program can be she's always in 60-65 PCS zone, 130-140 zone. She lacks that little something more.
Nana is the junior Mai.
And it's sad.
Nana will surely be in the last JGP. I just hope that she will skate clean, so even if she get low scores she will have no regrets.
I think that more than refinement or performance ability, she lacks it factor. Like Mai. No matter how consistent, good jumper, good spinner, how clean her program can be she's always in 60-65 PCS zone, 130-140 zone. She lacks that little something more.
Nana is the junior Mai.
And it's sad.
So true about Mai... so sad. She needs a packaging makeover...
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I definitely didn't consider her scores in relation to anyone else's, so you could be right.
The rest seems pretty well put.
She needs the program of her life. The program that will tell to judges "hey i'm here! So give me the marks i deserve!". And for that, she first needs to stop to go to David Wilson.
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I'm always under the impression that the only Lady DW did more good than harm was Yuna. They were the perfect fit. The artist and the muse.
The rest of his work with other skaters do not come close to what he was capable of creating with Yuna imo.
So I agree with you. And not only Mai, but Rika needs to work with other choreographer. I feel like the combination Rika + Tom Dickson works so well! Her best programs so far are all from Dickson. I don't know why on earth she went to DW. I remember DW saying that the Japanese like to "shop", they like to work with basically everyone to try it out. I guess he's right. And I hope Rika realizes that he's not the best for her. She should try Shae next. She'll be a bit older and mature by next season, I think Shae could do her wonders.
Yeah. Wilson has just the fame IMO. I don't know why Kaori gave him another chance after the danse macabre that she ditched last season.
It's really important to find a choreographer who understand you and make you improve. And mostly makes judges see that you worth high marks. So i don't get why
Wilson is stills there since he didn't achieved that with Mai despite all her qualities.
It's really important to find a choreographer who understand you and make you improve. And mostly makes judges see that you worth high marks. So i don't get why
Wilson is stills there since he didn't achieved that with Mai despite all her qualities.
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I think people go to David Wilson because his name will pull PCS. That's the way the sport unfortunately works. And until it stops working like that, I don't see how too many new choreographers will rise...?
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