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    USA 2018-19 U.S. Men’s figure skating

    This OP will be filled out later, but here's a quick update including that USFS has released it's International Selection Pool for 2018-2019
    http://usfigureskating.org/story?id=84156&menu=TeamUSA

    Jason Brown (S6)
    Nathan Chen (S1)
    Timothy Dolensky (S7)
    Ryan Dunk (J4)
    Goku Endo (N1)
    Patrick Frohling (J10)
    Tomoki Hiwatashi (S12)
    Grant Hochstein (S5)
    Nicholas Hsieh (N3)
    Alexander Johnson (S8)
    Joseph Kang (N2 in 2017, didn't compete in 2018)
    Aleksei Krasnozhon (S10)
    Max Lake (N2)
    Tony Lu (J5)
    Ross Miner (S2)
    Maxim Naumov (J3)
    Camden Pulkinen (J1)
    Adam Rippon (S4)
    Eric Sjoberg (WD from juniors, IIRC)
    Andrew Torgashev (S13)
    Dinh Tran (J2)
    Alex Wellman (J6)
    Jonathan Yang (N8)
    Paul Yeung (J7)
    Vincent Zhou (S3)

    With his name not being in the ISP, it does appear that Max Aaron is moving on, though no formal announcement has been made. However Grant Hochstein and Ross Miner, who were presumed to be retiring, are still on the list, though their names could be removed later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    ... With his name not being in the ISP, it does appear that Max Aaron is moving on, though no formal announcement has been made. ...
    Ohhhhhh.

    My consolation is that Max's skating career has been only one of the successful chapters in his life.
    With many additional accomplishments and adventures to come -- outside of skating.

    But I will miss Skater Max terribly.



    ETA:

    If anyone would like to catch Skater Max in his upcoming club shows:

    - Apr 27 to 29 at Showtime On Ice in Centennial, Colorado: https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...=1#post1993646

    - June 15 and 16 at Ice Den Scottsdale: https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sh...=1#post2055884



    ETA:

    Random mention (unrelated to Max) that USFS Jump On It! Camp is coming up this week.

    This year's dates: Apr 19 to 21.

    ETA (on Apr 18):

    Turns out that Max *is* involved in the 2018 edition of Jump On It! (as he was in both previous years of the camp).

    Details below (in post #13).

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    Do you guys think that Aleksei Krasnozhon will make a mark in Seniors this year? I still think Nathan and Vincent are locks to stay on top but, the third position is up for grabs. It should belong to Jason but, unless he gets a solid quad, I see him being passed over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrrice View Post
    Do you guys think that Aleksei Krasnozhon will make a mark on the Senior Podium? I still think Nathan and Vincent are locks to stay on top but, the third position is up for grabs. It should belong to Jason but, unless he gets a solid quad, I see him being passed over.
    It's never too early to talk about 2019 Nats.

    I am not so sure (and I think this is a good thing) that the USFS ignores superior artistry for quads. They put Adam Rippon on the Olympic team, and Adam's quads in competition are about as consistent than Jason's, as in not. Jason simply had a horrid, no-good, very bad FS at Nats that took him out of consideration for the podium.

    I think Vincent will need to "earn" the podium, I do not see him as a lock. I love my wild jumper Alexei, but I certainly don't see him as a lock either.

    We all know there is one lock, and his initials are Nathan Chen

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    What exactly is the significance of this list? Does it mean that these are the skaters that are eligible for assignments to international competitions? Are these the skaters that will receive USFSA funding?

    Question for speakers of Chinese. How is Nickolas Hsieh pronounced?

    Go Ross Miner. I will be surprised if w he competes next season, but you never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Question for speakers of Chinese. How is Nickolas Hsieh pronounced?
    Hsieh is an alternate anglicized spelling of the last name Xie (Mandarin), which would be pronounced like a mix of See-eh and Shee-eh (not as strong of a "sh" sound as used in english usually). But I'm not exactly sure if that's how you'd pronounce it in English since sometimes it's pretty different

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    What exactly is the significance of this list? Does it mean that these are the skaters that are eligible for assignments to international competitions? Are these the skaters that will receive USFSA funding?

    Question for speakers of Chinese. How is Nickolas Hsieh pronounced?

    Go Ross Miner. I will be surprised if w he competes next season, but you never know.
    I am not a speaker of Chinese. But according to this article from the Wilmington News Journal, Nicholas pronounces his last name "Shay", or at least I am assuming that is where the author got the pronunication.

    Delaware still prime training ground for skaters with Olympic dreams

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    I am Chinese American and I think the pronounciation is more like “shee-eh” but more subtle than that. My friend is named Xie and she tells non-Chinese to pronounce it “sheh.” Hsieh is Taiwanese or Hong Kong version of Xie I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlesnow View Post
    I am Chinese American and I think the pronounciation is more like “shee-eh” but more subtle than that. My friend is named Xie and she tells non-Chinese to pronounce it “sheh.” Hsieh is Taiwanese or Hong Kong version of Xie I think.
    It's Taiwanese. Hong Kong uses the Cantonese anglicization which is Tse.

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    I just hope Andrew Torgashev somehow gets his jumps together (including a couple of quads) so he can rise to the top in the next year or two. Him and Nathan as US number 1 and 2 would be my dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shine View Post
    I just hope Andrew Torgashev somehow gets his jumps together (including a couple of quads) so he can rise to the top in the next year or two. Him and Nathan US number 1 and 2 would be my dream.
    Me either....

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    Wait ... 2018 Jump On It! Camp *is* related to Max.

    (I have updated/corrected my post above .)

    Max will be on Facebook Live tomorrow night (Apr 19) with Mariah Bell.

    My guess is that they are giving the keynote speech?

    Max gave the keynote speech for the very first year of the camp in 2016.
    Plus he was a team leader for the 2016 and 2017 camps.

    @USFigureSkating

    We're kicking off Jump On It! Camp tomorrow at 9:30 p.m. ET with a Facebook Live with birthday girl @MariahSk8rBell and @MaxTAaron! ...

    10:47 AM - 18 Apr 2018
    https://twitter.com/USFigureSkating/...62558168838144

    (Nathan and Karen gave the keynote in 2017.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shine View Post
    I just hope Andrew Torgashev somehow gets his jumps together (including a couple of quads) so he can rise to the top in the next year or two. Him and Nathan as US number 1 and 2 would be my dream.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollymolly View Post
    Me either....
    Well, I'm not Nathan's biggest fan, but I have absolutely no doubt he'll be No. 1 on the USA podium absent a Skating Apocalypse...

    But so much Andrew T love

    Let's hope Andrew' smove to full time training in Colorado sets him up for bigger things this upcoming season

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    Quote Originally Posted by el henry View Post
    Well, I'm not Nathan's biggest fan, but I have absolutely no doubt he'll be No. 1 on the USA podium absent a Skating Apocalypse...
    Nathan has rubbed the ISU's nose in its own deficiencies. He has shown that the only thing that counts is doing six quads. No one at the ISU thought that this was possible; I think they were caught off guard the same as us and now face a dilemma that will have them scrambling for the next couple of years. JMO.

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    After watching Camden Pulkinen win Jr. Nationals last year I predict we're going to see a lot of him on podiums in the years to come. He has style and isn't all just about the jumps. He has musicality and he's fun to watch. Don't know if he's going up to Srs this year or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el henry View Post
    Well, I'm not Nathan's biggest fan, but I have absolutely no doubt he'll be No. 1 on the USA podium absent a Skating Apocalypse...

    But so much Andrew T love

    Let's hope Andrew' smove to full time training in Colorado sets him up for bigger things this upcoming season
    But I must say I'm not particularly happy with the fact he's appears to have enlisted Scott Brown to choreograph again. His programs have been quite sub par up to this point and I've been underwhelmed with the music choices. I was hoping it would be Tom Dickson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Nathan has rubbed the ISU's nose in its own deficiencies. He has shown that the only thing that counts is doing six quads. No one at the ISU thought that this was possible; I think they were caught off guard the same as us and now face a dilemma that will have them scrambling for the next couple of years. JMO.
    This is amusing, actually. When they first designed IJS and found that Tim Goebel would win because of his quads, they lowered the value. Then after Evan won over Plushy who actually had a quad, they increased the value. Now Nathan has learned how to take advantage of that, al the system must be changed again.

    Now I don't think Nathan is he only reason they are devaluing quads. All season long people have wondered why skaters that fell won over skaters that were clean. But I do find it amusing that three US skaters have somehow forced ISU into changing their scoring system.

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    ^ I know, right?

    I actually feel for the ISU's dilemma. Figure skating is a sport. Sports means jumping. Jumping up and spinning four times is better than jumping up and spinning three times. Therefore, the ISU doesn't have any choice but to give out the highest point values for quads.

    But as soon as you do that, someone will come along and say, "Hey, I get it. If you want points, do quads." Then the ISU has to backtrack and say, "No, no, that's not what we meant."

    I guess that's what makes this crazy sport so wonderful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shine View Post
    But I must say I'm not particularly happy with the fact he's appears to have enlisted Scott Brown to choreograph again. His programs have been quite sub par up to this point and I've not been overwhelmed with the music choices. I was hoping it would be Tom Dickson.
    Or Phillip Mills.

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