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    If you made the JGPF in the men's event, you were more consistent then LOADS of guys.

    Jordan has the minimums for 4CCs from Lombardia last season. He's relatively young, born the same year as Jimmy. Just doesn't have much of a track record for getting the job done in competition. I agree that it's not too likely he has the body of work needed to qualify for 4CCs this year, though I've no idea what the criteria for selection is this season. (USFSA may be a little more open to letting athletes prove themselves than last year as there is less on the line and the field is more open). For the guys that don't currently have a BOW, though, this is a good event to start building one heading into next season. And a great placement at Nationals would very likely get you an international and a shot at earning new technical minimums, even if such a placement doesn't garner an invite to Anaheim.

    And now, having said all that, Ross Miner could have gone to 4CCs if he had wanted to go. I mean, seriously, they sent Grant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el henry View Post
    Sadly, because I enjoy his skating, I think even if Jordan had the skate of his life at Nats, and took fifth, say, he would not be chosen for 4CC. (regardless of whether he had minimums) I think only skaters on say Jordan's "level" (also sad to say, I think Sean Rabbitt may be among them) would get the "Ross Miner" treatment. ETA: Savary is in this category. No way in heck will he be chosen, even with SOHL.

    Alex Krasnozhon, Tim Dolensky, Jimmy Ma, Alex Johnson with the skates of their life would be selected, IMHO.

    I think any of the [top three] junior men, if they managed a high enough placement, would go. None of them embarrassed themselves on the JGP, despite Camden's unfortunate FS at the JGPF. Tomoki had an unfortunate SP at the JGPF, and I don't think that should disqualify him.

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    Do you think so? This year is far less fraught than last season bc: no Olympics. And given the negative response by so many people to what happened to Ross, I’m wondering if USFS would do it again in a much less important season. You may be right though.

    Jimmy is an interesting case. He made a big splash at Nationals - was it two years running? But he didn’t place very well. Then he medaled at Philly and in his challenger - and bombed at Skate America. He’s got a lot of personality, but maybe not such great technique. He’s about a year younger than Jason. Is he someone you’d give a chance to at 4CCs? The new scoring system would seem to favor Tim, Alex, and Jordan. Tim and Alex J are both older than Jason, though.

    If I try to imagine who would be a strong team member, I guess I think of Alex K more than the rising juniors. Not bc I love his skating so much, but something about his will - moving to US alone at such a young age - and vivid personality. Not the greatest of reasons, but there it is. And he does have a strong 3A!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavi... View Post
    Do you think so? This year is far less fraught than last season bc: no Olympics. And given the negative response by so many people to what happened to Ross, I’m wondering if USFS would do it again in a much less important season. You may be right though.

    Jimmy is an interesting case. He made a big splash at Nationals - was it two years running? But he didn’t place very well. Then he medaled at Philly and in his challenger - and bombed at Skate America. He’s got a lot of personality, but maybe not such great technique. He’s about a year younger than Jason. Is he someone you’d give a chance to at 4CCs? The new scoring system would seem to favor Tim, Alex, and Jordan. Tim and Alex J are both older than Jason, though.

    If I try to imagine who would be a strong team member, I guess I think of Alex K more than the rising juniors. Not bc I love his skating so much, but something about his will - moving to US alone at such a young age - and vivid personality. Not the greatest of reasons, but there it is. And he does have a strong 3A!
    And most of the fall he was still working his way back from his injury at junior worlds, so I think he will be stronger and improved from his last event.

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    After Nathan, Jason and Vincent, Alex Krasnozhon has the next highest World Ranking.

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    And the sixth highest SB. (6 of 12, half dozen of another)

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    Nationals conference calls have been uploaded by the Lansing Herald. Included are those of Jason, Nathan, and Vincent.
    https://lansingherald.com/sports#f6b...2-d5baac07a64b

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    Nathan is my favorite. I hope he can keep it together along with university work and win nationals. I really like his style, his short program stands out this season. He is so talented in many aspects, but still seems so easy going. Great guy!

    Seems like Jason is back on track. He looks very confident with his perfect short and can score high there. I’m not a fan of his free, but if Jason likes to skate to ’the old men’ good for him. As long as he skates well to the music and gets the tech done he’ll be fine.

    Vincent says he will take it easy with quads, that he has worked on his performance skills and worked hard to get his jumps fully rotated. Exactly what many fans and not-fans have suggested all season. So lets be happy and wish him good luck with his goals. I like his programs, especially the free. Both are good for working on his performance ability.

    I hope these three will be the medalists. I hope Nathan will be the champion. It doesn’t matter to me who is second or third. Just hoping for season best skates. What about Vincent rotating his quads and Jason nailing his first quad at Nationals ...and US can send a strong team to worlds.

    As for the new generation I don’t know who I think will be the one(s) for the future. I’m not even sure who I like the best. If I have to name one I would say Tomoki. But that’s for now. All the best to all of them. Surprise me!

    Soft spots for Jimmy Maa and Jordan Moeller. Curious to see how they will do. GO both!

    I know there are others who are great to watch too. I just forget some of them because I mostly see them only at US nationals.


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    Because everyone forgot there are three spots lol. Thanks, Max (and Nathan, ofc).
    Like: ’oh, just remembered there was another guy skating…. who won gold’

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowflake View Post
    … Like: ’oh, just remembered there was another guy skating…. who won gold’
    Do not agree with your interpretation of what Mrs. P wrote.

    I do not think anyone ever has forgotten for one second that Nathan contributed to the three spots.

    Or could forget. Or wants to forget.

    I would say that your comment seems unnecessarily dismissive of Max's contribution.

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    Nathan’s contribution is obviously known, hence the “of course.” But two men are needed to secure three spots and Max was the guy who helped.

    The fact Spain only has two spots in Euros despite Javi winning year after year speaks to the importance of the second man.

    Anyway, my point is we have three spots and the field is less deep so in theory Jason and Vincent should both get on the team. But Nationals can be strange and I reserve room for surprises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Nathan’s contribution is obviously known, hence the “of course.” But two men are needed to secure three spots and Max was the guy who helped.

    The fact Spain only has two spots in Euros despite Javi winning year after year speaks to the importance of the second man.

    Anyway, my point is we have three spots and the field is less deep so in theory Jason and Vincent should both get on the team. But Nationals can be strange and I reserve room for surprises.
    Is Camden skating senior this year? I have liked him and Alexei for a couple of years now. Nathan seems to be a lock but, who knows after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice Dance View Post
    If you made the JGPF in the men's event, you were more consistent then LOADS of guys.

    Jordan has the minimums for 4CCs from Lombardia last season. He's relatively young, born the same year as Jimmy. Just doesn't have much of a track record for getting the job done in competition. I agree that it's not too likely he has the body of work needed to qualify for 4CCs this year, though I've no idea what the criteria for selection is this season. (USFSA may be a little more open to letting athletes prove themselves than last year as there is less on the line and the field is more open). For the guys that don't currently have a BOW, though, this is a good event to start building one heading into next season. And a great placement at Nationals would very likely get you an international and a shot at earning new technical minimums, even if such a placement doesn't garner an invite to Anaheim.

    And now, having said all that, Ross Miner could have gone to 4CCs if he had wanted to go. I mean, seriously, they sent Grant.
    But didn't Grant place in the top ten at worlds - pretty impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowflake View Post
    Nathan is my favorite. I hope he can keep it together along with university work and win nationals. I really like his style, his short program stands out this season. He is so talented in many aspects, but still seems so easy going. Great guy!

    Seems like Jason is back on track. He looks very confident with his perfect short and can score high there. I’m not a fan of his free, but if Jason likes to skate to ’the old men’ good for him. As long as he skates well to the music and gets the tech done he’ll be fine.

    Vincent says he will take it easy with quads, that he has worked on his performance skills and worked hard to get his jumps fully rotated. Exactly what many fans and not-fans have suggested all season. So lets be happy and wish him good luck with his goals. I like his programs, especially the free. Both are good for working on his performance ability.

    I hope these three will be the medalists. I hope Nathan will be the champion. It doesn’t matter to me who is second or third. Just hoping for season best skates. What about Vincent rotating his quads and Jason nailing his first quad at Nationals ...and US can send a strong team to worlds.

    As for the new generation I don’t know who I think will be the one(s) for the future. I’m not even sure who I like the best. If I have to name one I would say Tomoki. But that’s for now. All the best to all of them. Surprise me!

    Soft spots for Jimmy Maa and Jordan Moeller. Curious to see how they will do. GO both!

    I know there are others who are great to watch too. I just forget some of them because I mostly see them only at US nationals.




    Like: ’oh, just remembered there was another guy skating…. who won gold’
    Those three seem likely the favorites on paper at least. I mean Nathan is the defending world champion and quad king. Jason the PCS king. Vincent the prince moving up especially in light of Cam and Alex being fairly junior and Jimmy having some challenges. Jason really needs to be the PC king as his quad seems non existent competitively. he will need quads to compete with the Japanese men. Kolyada has been struggling, Javier gone, Jason is the Patrick Chan replacement minus the jumps and not quite as good skating skills but he is probably the best now. I think the US looks good for worlds and holding on to three spots especially with Nathan showing the world he can do it and have it all with school and skating.

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    How is Timothy looking this season? I haven't heard much from him at all.

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    Great new Torgashev article by Lynn Rutherford:




    Quote Originally Posted by mrrice View Post
    Is Camden skating senior this year? …
    Yes, this season Camden has competed in senior internationals (non-GP) and will be a senior at Nats.

    As you probably know, he competed at JGPs and JGPF this season too.

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