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GPF: Ladies' FS - Thoughts and Highlights

Globetrotter

Medalist
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Jan 17, 2014
One of the most satisfying comp of the year. This was most exciting and the winner was well deserved.

Rika Kihira - gutsy skate. She must have trained for plans B and C and have the presence of mind to pull out the backup 3A-2T and up the 3Lz-2T to a 3-3. 200% badass.

Alina Zagitova. Got to admire her grit and for holding it together. Some of her jumps in both SP and LP look borderline and landings were scratchier than normal but she got away with them and eked out the toughies. She really deserves better programmes and take some cues from Alyona Kostornaia and Anna Scherbakova on posture and being less frenetic. That’s her team and choreo to fix. So much potential to be a wonderful skater with the tech and the grit. IMO overscored in PCS PE, CO, IN and SS, three of which can be rectified by some tweaks in the programme and not to rush out everything.

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva - my favourite performance of the evening. Yes the 3A landing was turned out but that was a consequence of Liza Tuks and Papa Mishin opting to use the jump technique more often used by male skaters with big launch power and the landing can be harder to control. Practice practice practice - once under control, that 3A will be more impressive than Rika’s in height, power and flow. IMO underscored in PE and IN. SS and TR are noticeably weaker and about right. I have no issues with the tech GOEs. The jump GOEs are great but the non jumps low GOEs were what did her in. Spins and steps are not her best friends. But I like Tuks and her guts to always come back, so my heart will always be bias in her scoring better.

Kaori Sakamoto - this girl has the goods certainly. After CaroK, Kaori has some of the smoothest flow out of her jumps. The skating below the knees are awesome, but above the knees......let’s say she is young, she just needs time to smoothen things out. A very tough competitor under the youthful smiles and happiness. I think she will eventually grow to become a judge favourite.

Sofia Samodurova - exuberant, youthful, sassy performer. New to the big stage and not afraid to compete. Not the biggest jumper but you can tell that the foundation is fairly solid. Needs to work on the SS and speed control rather than to muscle the way out. Sofia certainly will be an exciting new comer to watch. Under Papa Mishin, we know that the tech will not be an issue. The blade work, stroking and effective use of transitional moves will be where big returns can be made.

Satoko Miyahara - not her best comp, was visibly more tensed in her SP. Inherently limited in her tech and will always be at the mercy of TPs and the performance of other stronger tech skaters in order to win. Currently has the best non jumps and great in PCS but.....darn, not a judging fave. Completely lowballed in the FS PCS wise. Fairly dinged and called for jump URbut really deserves higher PCS than anyone else in this FS segment. I see her as the Ashley Wagner role equivalent - the one whom the federation depends on for solidity, being able to hold on to slots and carry the others through but will never be the real star. Under rated which is a pity as she has the non jump aspects to show and works harder than anyone. Ideal skater = Liza Tuks jumps plus Satoko’s non jumps and qualitative skating aspects.
 

chuckm

Record Breaker
Joined
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Country
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Good competition from the ladies. A disappointment was the TP. Esp. Alina was lucky that the TP did not call the underrotation jumps.

Luck had nothing to do with that---the Tech Specialist was Russian. In the FS, only the Japanese skaters got URs.
 

skateluvr

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 23, 2011
They changed the rules, if I understand correctly, to apply the 10% bonus to only the last jumping pass in the short program and the last three in the long program, assuming that those passes are completed in the second half of the program. So Alina (or any skater) could still theoretically do her 3/3s as two of her last three jumping passes--or even do her three combos as her last three jumping passes--and receive the 10% bonus.

Whether the PCS for such a program would take a hit for continuing to backload the greatest jump difficulty against what seems to be the spirit of the new rule, and whether a skater would have the physical and mental stamina to pull off such a high-risk/high-reward strategy, are separate questions.

Very good points about the spirit of the rule. Maybe this year Alina could not pull off the jumps all in the bonus. But hey she won the gold and came back. Adelina did not. So kudos to the red ballerina. She is so cute.
 

eaglehelang

Final Flight
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Sep 15, 2017
While I mentioned this in the gala thread another poster rightly pointed out it’s not the right place, but this thread is.

I’m thoroughly disappointed by the lack of sportsmanship exhibited by Zagitovas team. I’m not saying it was her call per se, but she’s OGM she absolutely has PR assistance

If she was injured fine, but why wait until after her skate and after her loss to bring it to the media. There is no disputing the timeline of events. It just leaves such a sour taste of being unable to gracefully handle defeat.

While true she’s not my cup of tea I find the behaviour towards Rika so unkind and undermining of her achievement.

Of course they have to wait till after the competition is over. If they said it earlier it would said to be influencing the judges.

Other than that, Alina's team have to answer to the ever critical Russian media, etc on why she didnt win.
Look at Kolyada's team, they did not say much about his sinus problem, causing him to be branded as hopeless, headcase, etc, etc
 

sworddance21

On the Ice
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Dec 18, 2014
Of course they have to wait till after the competition is over. If they said it earlier it would said to be influencing the judges.

Other than that, Alina's team have to answer to the ever critical Russian media, etc on why she didnt win.
Look at Kolyada's team, they did not say much about his sinus problem, causing him to be branded as hopeless, headcase, etc, etc

Sorry - probably belongs on the GSofZ thread - but what happened with Kolyada?
 

vunhung3001

Rinkside
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Jul 2, 2017
While I mentioned this in the gala thread another poster rightly pointed out it’s not the right place, but this thread is.

I’m thoroughly disappointed by the lack of sportsmanship exhibited by Zagitovas team. I’m not saying it was her call per se, but she’s OGM she absolutely has PR assistance

If she was injured fine, but why wait until after her skate and after her loss to bring it to the media. There is no disputing the timeline of events. It just leaves such a sour taste of being unable to gracefully handle defeat.

While true she’s not my cup of tea I find the behaviour towards Rika so unkind and undermining of her achievement.

Where and when did her team reveal her injury ? Because as far as I know, it's Ted Barton who reavealed it during Junior broadcast. Both her and her team didn't say a word about it. Daniil even posted video her jumping at Gala practice. If they tried to bring up injury to make excuse, his video meant they forced her jump when she was injuried or that they lied ?
 

Skater Boy

Record Breaker
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Feb 24, 2012
I am not going to get into nationalism,favoritism and all these GS theories on the tech callers.

Rika did amazing and is the latest flavor. The judges have really hiked up her pcs - not saying they aren't worth it but I think it is fair to say world records are meaning less now. PCS are at the whim of the judges and the new GOE system plus th ever changing values of elements make comparisons useless. WR should not be allowed in skating. Only the true conniseur of skating will know they hard to compare.

That being said can Rika be stopped. Will or has Kaori started to fulfill her p romise? Has she passed Satoko? Is Satoko feeling the pressure of these other top notch Japanese ladies. Could Japan sweep the podium come worlds? Which way will Alina go- improve her jumps or will as she develops a women's body go downwards like ironically Evgenia, Radinova, Yulia, Adelina , Pogo et al.

Good for ET for toughing it out and not giving Kaori the bronze I thought she was a gonner but she is tough.
 

VenusHalley

Final Flight
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Jan 6, 2018
While I mentioned this in the gala thread another poster rightly pointed out it’s not the right place, but this thread is.

I’m thoroughly disappointed by the lack of sportsmanship exhibited by Zagitovas team. I’m not saying it was her call per se, but she’s OGM she absolutely has PR assistance

If she was injured fine, but why wait until after her skate and after her loss to bring it to the media. There is no disputing the timeline of events. It just leaves such a sour taste of being unable to gracefully handle defeat.

While true she’s not my cup of tea I find the behaviour towards Rika so unkind and undermining of her achievement.

Plus she has been popping jumps and UR the whole season. She was a mess on testskates. She had one clean competion this season so far....
 

xeyra

Constant state
Record Breaker
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Jan 10, 2017
That was true in prior seasons but not now. For performances with a fall or serious error, PCS is supposed to be capped. <9.50 in SS, TR, and CO and <9.0 in PE and IE.

To clarify, that cap is for performances with falls or serious errors. Plural. The only cap for a program with one fall or serious error, singular, is no 10s.
 

Klarnet

On the Ice
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Apr 7, 2014
While I mentioned this in the gala thread another poster rightly pointed out it’s not the right place, but this thread is.

I’m thoroughly disappointed by the lack of sportsmanship exhibited by Zagitovas team. I’m not saying it was her call per se, but she’s OGM she absolutely has PR assistance

If she was injured fine, but why wait until after her skate and after her loss to bring it to the media. There is no disputing the timeline of events. It just leaves such a sour taste of being unable to gracefully handle defeat.

While true she’s not my cup of tea I find the behaviour towards Rika so unkind and undermining of her achievement.

It's really disappointing that many people are so readily jump to conclusion of poor sportsmanship without really thinking over and analyzing the case. Unfortunately that is how it is - you could fall and get a black eye, but people would not believe you and still think that your husband beats you.

First,why on Earth would Zagitova's team use Canadian commentator and his junior broadcast to announce the injury? Russia bought its own TV rights and has its own commentators and its own press and Rusfed officials. If Zagitova's team had any intention to exhibit poor sportsmanship, why not do it through its own channels - commentators and officials? But Zagitova herself and her team and Russian media did not tell a word about any injury, only after Ted Barton's speech Rusfed officials commented about it.

Secondly, what's the point of finding excuses for overall OK skate,if she already did similar mistake this season without any excuses. It's not like "due to injury she could not jump a quad and win", it is just ridiculous and unnecessary to use this kind of excuse against technical advantage of a rival.

Ted Barton might have heard and misunderstood something as they all mingle there. Tatiana Flade is usually the most close to Russian athletes there handling press issues,translating from Russian to English,etc. If information about injury was coming from her or official ISU source, then I'd think about believing it. But Ted Barton was the only one who made the allegation, probably simply spilling exaggerated "lost in translation" rumors.

Calling Zagitova unkind and unable to handle defeat based only on the words of Canadian commentator not even the athlete herself is pretty harsh and simply unfair.
 

lzxnl

Final Flight
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Nov 8, 2018
It's really disappointing that many people are so readily jump to conclusion of poor sportsmanship without really thinking over and analyzing the case. Unfortunately that is how it is - you could fall and get a black eye, but people would not believe you and still think that your husband beats you.

First,why on Earth would Zagitova's team use Canadian commentator and his junior broadcast to announce the injury? Russia bought its own TV rights and has its own commentators and its own press and Rusfed officials. If Zagitova's team had any intention to exhibit poor sportsmanship, why not do it through its own channels - commentators and officials? But Zagitova herself and her team and Russian media did not tell a word about any injury, only after Ted Barton's speech Rusfed officials commented about it.

Secondly, what's the point of finding excuses for overall OK skate,if she already did similar mistake this season without any excuses. It's not like "due to injury she could not jump a quad and win", it is just ridiculous and unnecessary to use this kind of excuse against technical advantage of a rival.

Ted Barton might have heard and misunderstood something as they all mingle there. Tatiana Flade is usually the most close to Russian athletes there handling press issues,translating from Russian to English,etc. If information about injury was coming from her or official ISU source, then I'd think about believing it. But Ted Barton was the only one who made the allegation, probably simply spilling exaggerated "lost in translation" rumors.

Calling Zagitova unkind and unable to handle defeat based only on the words of Canadian commentator not even the athlete herself is pretty harsh and simply unfair.

I don't get these people. Why are people bashing her for things that a bystander said? Looked to me that she tried to pretend everything was ok. I didn't see her feign an injury or ask for attention in the gala, unless you count her unfortunate hair-tying skills (she DOES spend quite a bit of time on that :laugh: )

To clarify, that cap is for performances with falls or serious errors. Plural. The only cap for a program with one fall or serious error, singular, is no 10s.

I reckon Yuzu is the only one affected by this one atm. Just saying :laugh:
 

Sugarpova

#EmpressAirlines #SinKatsapologist
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Feb 19, 2015
Im totally biased but the highlight was Liza's & Sofa's performances :party2:
You go girls!

Rika is an awesome winner! Both strong in tech & almost in art:biggrin::agree:

Ideal skater = Liza Tuks jumps plus Satoko’s non jumps and qualitative skating aspects.
I like this description!:agree:
 

Globetrotter

Medalist
Joined
Jan 17, 2014
Im totally biased but the highlight was Liza's & Sofa's performances :party2:
You go girls!

Rika is an awesome winner! Both strong in tech & almost in art:biggrin::agree:


I like this description!:agree:

I certainly buy it. I am just imagining a Liza Tuks with Satoko's edges and blade work and interpretive abilities or a Satoko with Tuk's great jump techniques - that will be wow and tough to beat.
 

narcissa

Record Breaker
Joined
Apr 1, 2014
Rika did amazing and is the latest flavor. The judges have really hiked up her pcs - not saying they aren't worth it but I think it is fair to say world records are meaning less now.

And you just noticed this now, and not 4 years ago?

Rika's PCS is not the cause of a broken system....it's because the system has already been broken for a very long time
 

lzxnl

Final Flight
Joined
Nov 8, 2018
And you just noticed this now, and not 4 years ago?

Rika's PCS is not the cause of a broken system....it's because the system has already been broken for a very long time

I agree with a previous commenter saying the PCS judges should be separate. My only question is, who's going to pay for the extra judging fees? The fans?
 

Ziotic

Medalist
Joined
Dec 23, 2016
It's really disappointing that many people are so readily jump to conclusion of poor sportsmanship without really thinking over and analyzing the case. Unfortunately that is how it is - you could fall and get a black eye, but people would not believe you and still think that your husband beats you.

First,why on Earth would Zagitova's team use Canadian commentator and his junior broadcast to announce the injury? Russia bought its own TV rights and has its own commentators and its own press and Rusfed officials. If Zagitova's team had any intention to exhibit poor sportsmanship, why not do it through its own channels - commentators and officials? But Zagitova herself and her team and Russian media did not tell a word about any injury, only after Ted Barton's speech Rusfed officials commented about it.

Secondly, what's the point of finding excuses for overall OK skate,if she already did similar mistake this season without any excuses. It's not like "due to injury she could not jump a quad and win", it is just ridiculous and unnecessary to use this kind of excuse against technical advantage of a rival.

Ted Barton might have heard and misunderstood something as they all mingle there. Tatiana Flade is usually the most close to Russian athletes there handling press issues,translating from Russian to English,etc. If information about injury was coming from her or official ISU source, then I'd think about believing it. But Ted Barton was the only one who made the allegation, probably simply spilling exaggerated "lost in translation" rumors.

Calling Zagitova unkind and unable to handle defeat based only on the words of Canadian commentator not even the athlete herself is pretty harsh and simply unfair.

The Russia fed releases a statement about the injury after her skate.

https://tass.ru/sport/5890193?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=smm_social_share

I also don’t buy that the judging would be skewed based on knowing a skater has an injury it didnt affect Hanyu winning Rostelecom this year or Zhenya winning NHK last year.

Again, I’m not saying or even trying to imply it’s Zagitova herself who is making these decision. I don’t think she’s using the injury as an excuse, but someone on her team is IMO implying that losing was a result of her injury.
 

vunhung3001

Rinkside
Joined
Jul 2, 2017
The Russia fed releases a statement about the injury after her skate.

https://tass.ru/sport/5890193?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=smm_social_share

I also don’t buy that the judging would be skewed based on knowing a skater has an injury it didnt affect Hanyu winning Rostelecom this year or Zhenya winning NHK last year.

Again, I’m not saying or even trying to imply it’s Zagitova herself who is making these decision. I don’t think she’s using the injury as an excuse, but someone on her team is IMO implying that losing was a result of her injury.

You linked the article but you didn't read it, right ? It said after Ted Barton's speech about the inccident, media found out her injury and asked the Alexander Kogan about it. He also said she will be ok, just a minor injury.
And again, based on what you think SOMEONE on her team tried to make excuse for the result when NO ONE from her team said a word about any injury BOTH before and after free skate ?
Can't you be more reasonable ?
 
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