Where is all this “no one questioned anyone else doing quads” whataboutism coming from, in the face of at least one person who has been raising questions about young folks and quads for four years?
No one reads my posts, I’m crushed:sad21::sad21::sad21:
For all the comments I see about how light and slender Trusova and Scheberkova are and how this facilitates their jumps, I see no mention of how problematic that lightness and slenderness might be in and of itself. Their bodies might have issues falling apart far before they get hip, knee, and ankle injuries, and far before they "hit" puberty.
I can't stand to watch either of them—quads or no quads—because I fear for their lightness and slenderness.
Frankly, I don't like the aesthetic, either. Curves have a way of making lines more interesting, IMO.
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I see people talk only about Trusova and Shcherbakova quads here, so... And i was the one criticizing men doing quads, because to me a most of their competitions were a mess
We have, for YEARS. In terms of men doing quads, during the whole quad craze of 204 to 2018.A lot of double standards here as always. Nobody questioned Gogolev's health for doing so many quads. Nobody questioned Kihira doing 3A, which is half a revolution less (or even lesser than that if you're counting the prerotation) from those girls who are doing quads, plus she is doing 3 of them now :confused2:
Just comment on Nathan part, first of all, Nathan didn’t start jumping quads at very early age, contrary to lots of misconceptions in this forum. He just learned all 4 types of quad much faster than anybody else after he landed first quad at 15, thanks to the foundation Raf helped him to build.I did! It's hard to argue with people who I agree with...
To be realistic, the number of boys or girls doing quads at all, or the number of men having done serious numbers of them for a reasonable amount of time, is still hardly even a mad scientist's sample (and there's Javi also, remember, he seems to be relatively okay but even though he's older we still need to wait a while).
I would have to say even an educated guess would have to wait until Boyang and Nathan (not to say Shoma, who's a bit older) and the others of the last/current generation start reaching 22-24 and see how their knees, ankles and general accident history are going (scarily, that's around the next Olympics, not a good time for scientific research on the main contenders but oh well...)
Just comment on Nathan part, first of all, Nathan didn’t start jumping quads at very early age, contrary to lots of misconceptions in this forum. He just learned all 4 types of quad much faster than anybody else after he landed first quad at 15, thanks to the foundation Raf helped him to build.
2nd of all, he is, in his own word ”de emphasizing” quad this season due to limited training time and focus on other aspects of skating. He didn’t try as much quads at all before GPF, and I guess that is going to the strategy going forward. You won’t see him practice and putting that many quads out there until he competes against Yuzu and Shoma.
I doubt he would still be in competitive skating after 2022 when he is 22. Afterall, he has his career long planned out with skating being only part of his life, and what is more important, he is listening more to Raf, who has been advocating for the longevity of skating life.
To me, he would be the least to worry about if he is not picking up his quad loop.
Umm.... I barely mentioned him, why the uber defensiveness? We won't know till they're older, that is what I am trying to say.
I don’t understand why you mention his name in the first place for the above reason. The thread was mainly discussing junior ladies. I won’t mention anybody if I don’t know lots of facts about someone.
Go back to your own post and read the part about Nathan, Boyang, and Shoma. Shoma is actually 2 months younger than Boyang. But I should feel honored that finally Nathan is one of the brilliant skaters in your eyes when discussing about the impact of of quads. Didn’t he “make any whole event crap by winning the gold?”We were also talking about the men, all of the brilliant quad-heavy top flight of the men 2017-18, and he is one of them yes? I also mentioned Boyang and Shoma (it is a little hard not to when projecting who will be 22-24 then).
So all or some of them may have accidents or problems in the future, we actually don't know who or why. Yuzuru may be an anomaly (he is in every other way, after all) or Javi and his better health may be.
I did have this thought however, that a startling number of the elite skaters, when offered Yuzuru's fame, fortune and success but only with Yuzuru's up and down health to go with it... would at the very least seriously consider it and more than a few would take it (Genius is not really sensible, after all, and neither are the very young). So if even Plushy-sized problems are a possibility somewhere in the future but the quads are the only way to win now, no matter what they planned, many of them will keep doing them.
Go back to your own post and read the part about Nathan, Boyang, and Shoma. Shoma is actually 2 months younger than Boyang. But I should feel honored that finally Nathan is one of the brilliant skaters in your eyes when discussing about the impact of of quads.
you must hate mens competitions then, no curves at all
Are you concerned about Yuzuru and how 4A affected his health ? He was badly injured because of 4Lz, and had to stop jumping it. And he injured himself again with 4lo. I suppose the same thing might happen with his 4lo, he will be forced to ditch it. You seems have problems with girls and boys jumping quads here and there but not with older Yuzuru who are more injury prone and once get injured, it takes him longer time to recover.I did! It's hard to argue with people who I agree with...
To be realistic, the number of boys or girls doing quads at all, or the number of men having done serious numbers of them for a reasonable amount of time, is still hardly even a mad scientist's sample (and there's Javi also, remember, he seems to be relatively okay but even though he's older we still need to wait a while).
I would have to say even an educated guess would have to wait until Boyang and Nathan (not to say Shoma, who's a bit older) and the others of the last/current generation start reaching 22-24 and see how their knees, ankles and general accident history are going (scarily, that's around the next Olympics, not a good time for scientific research on the main contenders but oh well...)
Are you concerned about Yuzuru and how 4A affected his health ? He was badly injured because of 4Lz, and had to stop jumping it. And he injured himself again with 4lo. I suppose the same thing might happen with his 4lo, he will be forced to ditch it.
Well, at least you aren't self conflicted yet. Better have problems and be concerned about every quad jumper rather than focus on specific ones. There are many fake concerns about Yuzuru's health. They wanted him to get injured to be able to say "Yeah I told you so" and the same thing also happened to Eteri girls, Gogolev and quadster like Nathan, Boyang, Shoma...Terrified about the 4A. Totally terrified. Somehow, I doubt that is going to stop anyone of them.