Russia selects slate for world team
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I keep seeing this and it makes me furious. It's basically saying Evgenia was chosen because she is given brownie-reputation points internationally. Basically it's all favoritism, this idea of PCS and GOE cushion no matter what a favorite skater puts out. Liza had no chance at all.
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Yup! :yes: Welcome to figure skating judging, where 75% of your scoring is based on reputation and only 25% is based on what you actually do on the ice.
That's how it's done in this sport.
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And Liza's low score on Dragon trophy was obviously a fluke when she was not 100% recovered. She gotten back to her form since.
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I don't agree with Evgenia going. Her early season was just dismal, and she wasn't thaaaaat great at the Russian Cup Final. If anyone, I thought Konstantinova should've been swapped for Tuk, but I still would've chosen Konstantinova over Med.
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I agree with you sadly. Liza soo deserves to go
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If you compare results, the scores have gone like this:
Liza: 206, 202, 203, 219, 215, 188 = an average of 205
Med: 204, 197, 192, 205, 222 = an average of 204
Excluding the RCF, which is a domestic competition, the averages change to:
209 for Liza internationally
199 for Med internationally
So, if taking the season's average into account, the Russian Cup Final is what really made the difference.... Liza certainly did have a case for herself, IMO...hwell:
So Liza’s is 10 above Evgenia’s but they still didn’t pick her...I can imagine not a lot of deep thinking and analysing went into this decision.
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Yeah, Evgenia won’t get the scores she gets nationally at international competitions.
Can we do like the "Children of Asia Games" some days ago and create one spot for "Russia Udmurtia"? So Liza will be in 
I hope she will have another chance to go to Worlds in her career...
I hope she will have another chance to go to Worlds in her career...
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I saw this just as I was heading for bed, so couldn't really process it or comment.
But what the heck?!! How could they do this to Liza?!! I love her skating! Zhenya is a great skater and she's been working hard this season, but I feel she still needs time with the new coaching situation.
Liza deserves that spot! I'm so sad for her and honestly? I'm a lot less interested in watching the Ladies comp at Worlds now.
If she retires because of this...
I do hope Alina, Sofia and Zhenya do well.
But what the heck?!! How could they do this to Liza?!! I love her skating! Zhenya is a great skater and she's been working hard this season, but I feel she still needs time with the new coaching situation.
Liza deserves that spot! I'm so sad for her and honestly? I'm a lot less interested in watching the Ladies comp at Worlds now.
If she retires because of this...
I do hope Alina, Sofia and Zhenya do well.
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A 3A is meaningless if you give away points elsewhere. Liza frequently gets negative GOE on her 3As, and at the GPF, despite the fact that she medaled, she scored about 18 points less than Rika. Almost all of the difference was in PCS and GOE.
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Well, there is no result that would made everyone happy.
The committee that voted. I think I read they are coaches? How are they selected? Do we know who was involved in the selection?
Good luck to all people competing and lets hope for a healthy field...
The committee that voted. I think I read they are coaches? How are they selected? Do we know who was involved in the selection?
Good luck to all people competing and lets hope for a healthy field...
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I can understand your disagreeing with the decision, but without knowing the facts, it’s probably not a good idea to accuse people of bias. Unless you were there, you don’t know why the decision is made.
And almost all of that difference are arguable. Still, no question Rika deserved that gold there, while Alina should've been 5th.
I'm furious. Such an insanely unfair decision towards Liza.
Speaking straight not Alina, nor Evgenia deserved their spots judging from their performances this season. Alina, although with the highly inflated scores, was on the podium of GPF, so okay.
But why is Evgenia going? She lost fair and square Russian Nationals. Moreover, on RusNats she was put above several athletes who, unlike her, skated clean. That alone must exclude her from the team. Russian Cup Final could make her the first alternate if only. Her performance was so-so, with a fall, flutz, and bunch of URs.
Liza got sick and had to withdraw. No doubt that she would've made the team at RusNats otherwise. The whole season she only fell from 3A, giving several fantastic performances, and having by far the highest BV of all Russian senior ladies. She only fell on 3A here too, and gave a fantastic free WITH pristine 3A.
A very consistent skater with the best lutz, 3A, and currently in a great shape, does not get to get to Worlds?
What is wrong with RusFed? Connections behind Evgenia are that powerful? Does she need this Worlds that badly to get even more antifans from whom she struggles so much this season?
Speaking straight not Alina, nor Evgenia deserved their spots judging from their performances this season. Alina, although with the highly inflated scores, was on the podium of GPF, so okay.
But why is Evgenia going? She lost fair and square Russian Nationals. Moreover, on RusNats she was put above several athletes who, unlike her, skated clean. That alone must exclude her from the team. Russian Cup Final could make her the first alternate if only. Her performance was so-so, with a fall, flutz, and bunch of URs.
Liza got sick and had to withdraw. No doubt that she would've made the team at RusNats otherwise. The whole season she only fell from 3A, giving several fantastic performances, and having by far the highest BV of all Russian senior ladies. She only fell on 3A here too, and gave a fantastic free WITH pristine 3A.
A very consistent skater with the best lutz, 3A, and currently in a great shape, does not get to get to Worlds?
What is wrong with RusFed? Connections behind Evgenia are that powerful? Does she need this Worlds that badly to get even more antifans from whom she struggles so much this season?
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I don’t think it is meaningless. Without it Liza would not be on the podium,ever. She does have low GOE on non-jump elements ( deservedly) and her PCS will never be as high as other top skaters because she is slow and lacks transistions. But,her 3A makes her competitive. Does it make her competitive with a semi- clean Rika? No, because Rika gets high GOE on all elements and higher PCS. ( deservedly— she is fast and has a complex lp) but who is competitive with semi-clean Rika? The Russian juniors are but not any senior skaters this season. All of the other skaters( including Liza) have to be perfect and hope Rika makes enough mistakes to win.
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