2019-2020 Programs by Discipline

Tavi... said:

Spielberg, who made Schindler’s List, is Jewish, as is Itzhak Perlman, who plays the theme, as is Jason, who will skate to it. Any or all of them may have lost friends or family in the Holocaust. What you think of as tacky or commercial may in fact be deeply personal, so I’m not sure you have the right to judge.

By the way, here is Perlman discussing the reason why violins were important for Jews interned in concentration camps:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmas...rlman-plays-theme-from-schindlers-list/10761/

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Casual said:

Commercializing real life tragedies of unimaginable scale, in figure skating competitions, feels in very pour taste, Jewish or not Jewish. (Although infinitely more tacky if no personal connection.) Mass murder, real life victims, Holocaust, 9/11, or similar atrocities - should not be used to win skating medals. Because it feels wrong.

Movies are fine. Stand-alone ballet or opera are fine. Any standalone art is fine, because it makes people feel, empathize, and never forget. But it must be standalone - so that those uncomfortable or still traumatized can choose not to watch; and it has to be true art, i.e., the main goal cannot be "to win a sports medal".

Figure skating Gala are questionable. Figure skating Competitions can feel obscene. (Unless there's a deep personal connection, in which case it's just a poor choice of medium).

Any human with a conscience has a right to judge. I lived through 9/11, and I cringe when I think about that stupid program, by that silly little girl (I blame adults, as teenage skaters are not the sharpest tools in the shed, obviously.) Some from my family were killed in mass executions. But I believe that one doesn't need to have any personal connection to understand - portraying sorrow and loss of mass atrocities with the explicit goal of winning medals is not right.

That's all I have to say about that.

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Casual said:

Commercializing real life tragedies of unimaginable scale, in figure skating competitions, is in very pour taste indeed, Jewish or not Jewish. (Although infinitely more tacky if no personal connection.) Mass murder, real life victims, Holocaust, 9/11, or similar atrocities - should not be used to win skating medals.

Movies are fine. Stand-alone ballet or opera are fine. Any standalone art is fine, because it makes people feel, empathize, and never forget. But it must be standalone - so that those uncomfortable or still traumatized can choose not to watch; and it has to be true art, i.e., the main goal cannot be "to win a sports medal".

Figure skating Gala are questionable. Figure skating competitions - obscene. (Unless there's a deep personal connection, in which case it's a poor choice of medium).

Any human with a conscience has a right to judge. I lived through 9/11, and I cringe when I think about that stupid program, by that silly little girl (I blame adults, as teenage skaters are not the sharpest tools in the shed, obviously.) Some from my family were killed in mass executions. But I believe that one doesn't need to have any personal connection whatsoever to get this simple thought - portraying sorrow and loss of mass atrocities with the explicit goal of winning medals is not right.

That's all I have to say about that.

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slotka said:

New? I think this music is very similar to her FS Music 2017-2018

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Casual said:

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You misunderstood. The reason I found Sacha's choice hilarious is because I bet that poor little girl had no idea of where the character was actually headed - just as all those hundreds of parents who named their new born daughters "Daenerys" and "Khaleesi", because they thought they were honoring a "Hero", and not a "Villain" of the show. (Since I foresaw Mad Queen from book one, I always knew that name will not age well! )

As for portraying villains... Sure! :thumbsup: Black Swan is a skating staple, and it's not a positive character, is it? It's fine to portray it - as long as a skater knows WHO they're portraying (a villain in a tragedy, and not a hero in a Disneyesque fairy tale!) I'm just saying... It's funny, how so many did not anticipate a beautiful princess turning into a sadistic tyrant. Please indulge me my moment of crowing, after almost 20 years of anticipation.

(I sincerely hope Sasha is not too disappointed in how it turned out, and made her choice based purely on beautiful music, and not because she was Team Dany.)

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slotka said:

She skated this program as EX at the show, I think she is really skating Bella and no one else. But I’m praying for better dress for SP, pls

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Tavi... said:

I don’t think all programs are created equal. Nor is it fair to say that everyone has the same motivation for doing a particular thing - that’s an assumption on your part. Someone might choose music for a competitive program - or for a recital or audition, for that matter - simply because it’s achingly beautiful or because it evokes a strong response in them and they have something to say that they want people to hear. There is no reason that a four minute program can’t be a small work of art just because it’s also functional - in this case, because it’s being used in competition.

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slotka said:

She skated this program as EX at the show, I think she is really skating Bella and no one else. But I’m praying for better dress for SP, pls

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TontoK said:

I'm going to pull this snippet out and shift the conversation just a tad.

Is it possible to skate to something like Romeo and Juliet without portraying a character? I think it is. The music is beautiful, and it could stand on its own outside of the storyline.

In the case of the two most memorable recent Schindler's List programs...

Yulia skated in the red dress, drawing a direct visual link to the story.

Joshua skated a beautiful emotional program to the music, but I think the program would have been just as beautiful if the music had come from any other source. If the music had come from a Disney film, for example, would it have been viewed as positively?

So, in these cases - same inspiration, but different approaches and interpretation.

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DSQ said:

Komatsubara and Koleto have announced that their exhibition next season will be a disco themed one consisting of “Saturday Night Fever, Funky Town, Super Freak, and Canned Heat.” https://twitter.com/timkoleto/status/1128835372576837634?s=21

No comment lol

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Dreamer57 said:

Sota Yamamoto:
SP: East of Eden
FS: In This Shirt
choreo by Pasquale Camerlengo
https://www.twitter.com/online_on_ice/status/1128851935635943425

Kazuki Tomono:
SP: The Hardest Button to Button
choreo by Phillip Mills
FS: Moulin Rouge
choreo by Misha Ge
https://www.twitter.com/online_on_ice/status/1128907192025796608

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RemyRose said:

Andrew Torgashev
SP- "Bloodstream" by Tokio Myers
FP- Giacomo Puccini's "Tosca" performed by Luciano Pavarotti
http://figureskatersonline.com/andrewtorgashev/my-2019-2020-season-programs-are/

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Tavi... said:

I guess he doesn’t realize Tosca is 3 hours long.

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Tavi... said:

I guess he doesn’t realize Tosca is 3 hours long.

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Dreamer57 said:

Sota Yamamoto:
SP: East of Eden
FS: In This Shirt
choreo by Pasquale Camerlengo
https://www.twitter.com/online_on_ice/status/1128851935635943425

Kazuki Tomono:
SP: The Hardest Button to Button
choreo by Phillip Mills
FS: Moulin Rouge
choreo by Misha Ge
https://www.twitter.com/online_on_ice/status/1128907192025796608

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el henry said:

I’m a big fan of my Andrew T., but he could have given us some further hint Then again, he at least had the grace to say he wanted to mature a little before trying it. Andrew loves his warhorses, so I would have to guess E lucevan le stelle.

Evidently “Bloodstream” is a hip hop Clair de Lune? in honor of Andrew, I will withhold judgment

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