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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavi... View Post
    Spielberg, who made Schindler’s List, is Jewish, as is Itzhak Perlman, who plays the theme, as is Jason, who will skate to it. Any or all of them may have lost friends or family in the Holocaust. What you think of as tacky or commercial may in fact be deeply personal, so I’m not sure you have the right to judge.

    By the way, here is Perlman discussing the reason why violins were important for Jews interned in concentration camps:

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmast...rs-list/10761/
    Commercializing real life tragedies of unimaginable scale, in figure skating competitions, feels in very pour taste, Jewish or not Jewish. (Although infinitely more tacky if no personal connection.) Mass murder, real life victims, Holocaust, 9/11, or similar atrocities - should not be used to win skating medals. Because it feels wrong.

    Movies are fine. Stand-alone ballet or opera are fine. Any standalone art is fine, because it makes people feel, empathize, and never forget. But it must be standalone - so that those uncomfortable or still traumatized can choose not to watch; and it has to be true art, i.e., the main goal cannot be "to win a sports medal".

    Figure skating Gala are questionable. Figure skating Competitions can feel obscene. (Unless there's a deep personal connection, in which case it's just a poor choice of medium).

    Any human with a conscience has a right to judge. I lived through 9/11, and I cringe when I think about that stupid program, by that silly little girl (I blame adults, as teenage skaters are not the sharpest tools in the shed, obviously.) Some from my family were killed in mass executions. But I believe that one doesn't need to have any personal connection to understand - portraying sorrow and loss of mass atrocities with the explicit goal of winning medals is not right.

    That's all I have to say about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual View Post
    Commercializing real life tragedies of unimaginable scale, in figure skating competitions, feels in very pour taste, Jewish or not Jewish. (Although infinitely more tacky if no personal connection.) Mass murder, real life victims, Holocaust, 9/11, or similar atrocities - should not be used to win skating medals. Because it feels wrong.

    Movies are fine. Stand-alone ballet or opera are fine. Any standalone art is fine, because it makes people feel, empathize, and never forget. But it must be standalone - so that those uncomfortable or still traumatized can choose not to watch; and it has to be true art, i.e., the main goal cannot be "to win a sports medal".

    Figure skating Gala are questionable. Figure skating Competitions can feel obscene. (Unless there's a deep personal connection, in which case it's just a poor choice of medium).

    Any human with a conscience has a right to judge. I lived through 9/11, and I cringe when I think about that stupid program, by that silly little girl (I blame adults, as teenage skaters are not the sharpest tools in the shed, obviously.) Some from my family were killed in mass executions. But I believe that one doesn't need to have any personal connection to understand - portraying sorrow and loss of mass atrocities with the explicit goal of winning medals is not right.

    That's all I have to say about that.
    Why is winning medals any different from making money and earning awards, both of which are major reasons for making art about tragedies? Schindler's List was incredibly profitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual View Post
    Commercializing real life tragedies of unimaginable scale, in figure skating competitions, is in very pour taste indeed, Jewish or not Jewish. (Although infinitely more tacky if no personal connection.) Mass murder, real life victims, Holocaust, 9/11, or similar atrocities - should not be used to win skating medals.

    Movies are fine. Stand-alone ballet or opera are fine. Any standalone art is fine, because it makes people feel, empathize, and never forget. But it must be standalone - so that those uncomfortable or still traumatized can choose not to watch; and it has to be true art, i.e., the main goal cannot be "to win a sports medal".

    Figure skating Gala are questionable. Figure skating competitions - obscene. (Unless there's a deep personal connection, in which case it's a poor choice of medium).

    Any human with a conscience has a right to judge. I lived through 9/11, and I cringe when I think about that stupid program, by that silly little girl (I blame adults, as teenage skaters are not the sharpest tools in the shed, obviously.) Some from my family were killed in mass executions. But I believe that one doesn't need to have any personal connection whatsoever to get this simple thought - portraying sorrow and loss of mass atrocities with the explicit goal of winning medals is not right.

    That's all I have to say about that.
    I don’t think all programs are created equal. Nor is it fair to say that everyone has the same motivation for doing a particular thing - that’s an assumption on your part. Someone might choose music for a competitive program - or for a recital or audition, for that matter - simply because it’s achingly beautiful or because it evokes a strong response in them and they have something to say that they want people to hear. There is no reason that a four minute program can’t be a small work of art just because it’s also functional - in this case, because it’s being used in competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slotka View Post
    New? I think this music is very similar to her FS Music 2017-2018
    Listen to the song past 1 minute mark =)
    I think it has a vibe similar to «Les feuilles mortes»
    Has some maturity and elegance to it, with added harmonica/accordion it sounds very "french" to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual View Post
    WARNING!!!! SPOILERS AHEAD: DO NOT READ IF NOT CAUGHT UP TO THE LATEST GAME OF THRONES.
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    You misunderstood. The reason I found Sacha's choice hilarious is because I bet that poor little girl had no idea of where the character was actually headed - just as all those hundreds of parents who named their new born daughters "Daenerys" and "Khaleesi", because they thought they were honoring a "Hero", and not a "Villain" of the show. (Since I foresaw Mad Queen from book one, I always knew that name will not age well! )

    As for portraying villains... Sure! Black Swan is a skating staple, and it's not a positive character, is it? It's fine to portray it - as long as a skater knows WHO they're portraying (a villain in a tragedy, and not a hero in a Disneyesque fairy tale!) I'm just saying... It's funny, how so many did not anticipate a beautiful princess turning into a sadistic tyrant. Please indulge me my moment of crowing, after almost 20 years of anticipation.

    (I sincerely hope Sasha is not too disappointed in how it turned out, and made her choice based purely on beautiful music, and not because she was Team Dany.)
    well GOT has never been a dysneyesque fairytale since square one. if anyone might have seen it that way i blame first of all years of bad and superficial writing (i'm talking about the show) but also some superficial understanding of the whole plot and characterization. i have not doubt that the turning of the hero into a monster (wich basically is the point of the entire saga, at least in Martin's intentions) was in Martin's mind since the begining, so i don't find it surprising, what i find surprising is how just the final part of Daenerys's story can erase whatever she did before and everything she's been trough (of course the bad quality of the screeplay doesn't help understand the transformation. many actions look just gratuitous. seriously, she looks like an hysterical brat who snaps because she can't get what she wants in the way she wants) many of us still admire Napoleon, right? i'm still team (books) Daenerys

    Quote Originally Posted by slotka View Post
    She skated this program as EX at the show, I think she is really skating Bella and no one else. But I’m praying for better dress for SP, pls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavi... View Post
    I don’t think all programs are created equal. Nor is it fair to say that everyone has the same motivation for doing a particular thing - that’s an assumption on your part. Someone might choose music for a competitive program - or for a recital or audition, for that matter - simply because it’s achingly beautiful or because it evokes a strong response in them and they have something to say that they want people to hear. There is no reason that a four minute program can’t be a small work of art just because it’s also functional - in this case, because it’s being used in competition.
    I'm going to pull this snippet out and shift the conversation just a tad.

    Is it possible to skate to something like Romeo and Juliet without portraying a character? I think it is. The music is beautiful, and it could stand on its own outside of the storyline.

    In the case of the two most memorable recent Schindler's List programs...

    Yulia skated in the red dress, drawing a direct visual link to the story.

    Joshua skated a beautiful emotional program to the music, but I think the program would have been just as beautiful if the music had come from any other source. If the music had come from a Disney film, for example, would it have been viewed as positively?

    So, in these cases - same inspiration, but different approaches and interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slotka View Post
    She skated this program as EX at the show, I think she is really skating Bella and no one else. But I’m praying for better dress for SP, pls
    Well, in that case I'm just going to hope that Alyona's angelic skating either surpasses the books or actually makes Bella Swan likeable... I am still much more looking forward to her FS though

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    Quote Originally Posted by TontoK View Post
    I'm going to pull this snippet out and shift the conversation just a tad.

    Is it possible to skate to something like Romeo and Juliet without portraying a character? I think it is. The music is beautiful, and it could stand on its own outside of the storyline.

    In the case of the two most memorable recent Schindler's List programs...

    Yulia skated in the red dress, drawing a direct visual link to the story.

    Joshua skated a beautiful emotional program to the music, but I think the program would have been just as beautiful if the music had come from any other source. If the music had come from a Disney film, for example, would it have been viewed as positively?

    So, in these cases - same inspiration, but different approaches and interpretation.
    Hmm - very interesting question but just too tired to formulate my thoughts right now - will respond tomorrow.

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    Reigning Italian ladies singles champion Alessia Tornaghi will enter her first senior season with two new programs choreographed by Edoardo De Bernardis

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    Komatsubara and Koleto have announced that their exhibition next season will be a disco themed one consisting of “Saturday Night Fever, Funky Town, Super Freak, and Canned Heat.” https://twitter.com/timkoleto/status...576837634?s=21

    No comment lol

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    For 2019-20 season programs Sofia Sula from the Land of Thousand Lakes Finland again works with Edoardo De Bernardis!

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    Sota Yamamoto:
    SP: East of Eden
    FS: In This Shirt
    choreo by Pasquale Camerlengo
    https://www.twitter.com/online_on_ic...51935635943425

    Kazuki Tomono:
    SP: The Hardest Button to Button
    choreo by Phillip Mills
    FS: Moulin Rouge
    choreo by Misha Ge
    https://www.twitter.com/online_on_ic...07192025796608

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSQ View Post
    Komatsubara and Koleto have announced that their exhibition next season will be a disco themed one consisting of “Saturday Night Fever, Funky Town, Super Freak, and Canned Heat.” https://twitter.com/timkoleto/status...576837634?s=21

    No comment lol
    the disco fever is spreading

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer57 View Post
    Sota Yamamoto:
    SP: East of Eden
    FS: In This Shirt
    choreo by Pasquale Camerlengo
    https://www.twitter.com/online_on_ic...51935635943425

    Kazuki Tomono:
    SP: The Hardest Button to Button
    choreo by Phillip Mills
    FS: Moulin Rouge
    choreo by Misha Ge
    https://www.twitter.com/online_on_ic...07192025796608
    a glass here, please

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    Andrew Torgashev
    SP- "Bloodstream" by Tokio Myers
    FP- Giacomo Puccini's "Tosca" performed by Luciano Pavarotti
    http://figureskatersonline.com/andre...-programs-are/

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    Of the music choices so far, I am most excited about Kazuki’s The Hardest Button to Button SP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemyRose View Post
    Andrew Torgashev
    SP- "Bloodstream" by Tokio Myers
    FP- Giacomo Puccini's "Tosca" performed by Luciano Pavarotti
    http://figureskatersonline.com/andre...-programs-are/
    I guess he doesn’t realize Tosca is 3 hours long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavi... View Post
    I guess he doesn’t realize Tosca is 3 hours long.
    Andrew himself choreographed both programs. BOTH... Brave young man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavi... View Post
    I guess he doesn’t realize Tosca is 3 hours long.


    I’m a big fan of my Andrew T., but he could have given us some further hint Then again, he at least had the grace to say he wanted to mature a little before trying it. Andrew loves his warhorses, so I would have to guess E lucevan le stelle.

    Evidently “Bloodstream” is a hip hop Clair de Lune? in honor of Andrew, I will withhold judgment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer57 View Post
    Sota Yamamoto:
    SP: East of Eden
    FS: In This Shirt
    choreo by Pasquale Camerlengo
    https://www.twitter.com/online_on_ic...51935635943425

    Kazuki Tomono:
    SP: The Hardest Button to Button
    choreo by Phillip Mills
    FS: Moulin Rouge
    choreo by Misha Ge
    https://www.twitter.com/online_on_ic...07192025796608
    I'm excited for The Hardest Button To Button, but the rest... snooze... :P Think outside the box, people!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by el henry View Post


    I’m a big fan of my Andrew T., but he could have given us some further hint Then again, he at least had the grace to say he wanted to mature a little before trying it. Andrew loves his warhorses, so I would have to guess E lucevan le stelle.

    Evidently “Bloodstream” is a hip hop Clair de Lune? in honor of Andrew, I will withhold judgment
    If you want an idea, watch Anthony Pomerenko and Christina Cairrera’s FD from last season to the same music.

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