Skaters with proper technique: appreciation thread
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I do not confuse anything - it is both simulation and animation.Ha-ha-ha, I'm really laughing right now.I do numerical methods and it always amuses me how people who are far from this confuse “simulation” and “animation”. This is animation my dear not a simulation
You can draw anything, it's not relevant. It’s just a convenient, simplified, educational animation.
Yea? But I’m really interested is why prer over 90 degrees is a bad technique, and less 90 it is a good one?
What is the basis of your belief that the prer makes it easier to jump? Maybe so, but who said it? Has anyone researched it? Famous figure skaters said - "I did with prer and without, with prer was much easier, almost like a double" ? Can you give a link to this?
Simulation - because it shows how these jumps should be done and animation - because it is a computer animation. And you do not know much about technology If you really think these are from the 60s. 
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I do not confuse anything - it is both simulation and animation.
Okey, even common, not from computer science, definition say to us: "A simulation is an approximate imitation of the operation of a process or system"
But please don't be distracted by irrelevant things. My main point:
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Here to make a case for Karen's Lutz
Insane speed going into it, deep outside edge, toe pick assist, off the ice before 90 degrees, delayed rotation at times (for aesthetic purposes, it's nice, but causes rotation problems at times), AMAZING height and distance, beautiful landing position with running edge and transitions out. Plus the beauty in her arms and flow over the ice just put the icing on the cake when she's able to successfully complete her jumps, it just makes them that much better!
https://66.media.tumblr.com/fe6153d.../d11b372aa3448f95dbd20f61e392105cdce08e3d.gif
Shame about her inconsistency, but credit where credit is due
Insane speed going into it, deep outside edge, toe pick assist, off the ice before 90 degrees, delayed rotation at times (for aesthetic purposes, it's nice, but causes rotation problems at times), AMAZING height and distance, beautiful landing position with running edge and transitions out. Plus the beauty in her arms and flow over the ice just put the icing on the cake when she's able to successfully complete her jumps, it just makes them that much better!
https://66.media.tumblr.com/fe6153d.../d11b372aa3448f95dbd20f61e392105cdce08e3d.gif
Shame about her inconsistency, but credit where credit is due
I'm not an elite skater, so my opinion is probably not that valuable in this context, but from my limited experience jumping single lutzes, while it's easier to full-blade and be lazy with the right foot when toe-picking, I get so much more power when I use the toe pick and the jump feels so much nicer. Now that I've got an axel, I will keep you guys posted when I have a double lutz. Basically, I can consciously feel the difference between a full blade and a pick and there are differences in the resulting jump.
A+ bringing twitter to the boards. (I like)
Ironically Carolina Kostner will never be remembered as "THE JUMPER", but you have to give her credit for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b0pFxg6Fh4
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Thank you. This is exactly what these little girls from Russia do. If they want to win - fine, but not in this way.
Of course, they are not the only ones - many skaters from USA, Canada, Japan, Korea and Italy do the same thing.
Rarely there are skaters who have proper technique. That is why this problem is rarely talk about.
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While I do agree with the original point, you've written these in way that slightly suggests that Russians (little girls apparently) do it waaaaaaay more than everyone else, when in fact it's an opinion that comes simply from having more exposure to Russian ladies skating, and we see them so much because they're so good.
However, it always pains me a little when I happen to be watching the earlier groups, I see a skater from a so-called no-name fed having essentially no prerotation, no full blade assist, nice air position and even transitions and simply never gets a nice enough GOE for it. How can one not appreciate a beautiful jump that's with no prerotation and full blade assist more is beyond me. Though that mostly stems from not wanting to see good things in skaters other than the person's favourites.
So, i'd like to ask adepts of the proper technique, where do you get this "90 prerotation" "full-blade assist" from ?
I do not understand why there is no link in the thread to the handbook or something like that.
I mean i found the handbook for tech panel and i don't see these words in it
I do not understand why there is no link in the thread to the handbook or something like that.
I mean i found the handbook for tech panel and i don't see these words in it
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they are made up terms to justify "bad technique." They aren't in the handbook or anywhere else because they aren't a part of judging or learning a jump, and never have been. they are mainly discussed by those who don't understand jump mechanics.
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Italian former figure skater Angelo Dolfini and Italian commentator Massimiliano Ambesi spoke about full blade take off as well. Check them on You Tube.
The last time I am speaking to you and wasting my time.
Have you actually tried a jump before with a full blade? And compared it without?
You haven't explained what you mean by full blade take-off. Not everyone is as knowledgeable about the finer points of technique. What do you mean and why is it bad?
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uh, sure...i skated competitively for 13 years so i suppose i can say i've been around the block. i'm sure i tried something "full bladed" before while messing around, but i'm not really sure why it's relevant to the discussion. even edge jumps are taken off the pick, not the blade.
as i've said before, it's the nature of jumping and motion and speed and rotation that your weight shifts "backward" or it looks "full blade" as you lift into the air and begin rotation. this is jump mechanics, it's just how it works. some skaters do it more than others but this has nothing to do with how they were taught or something they're trying to do to cheat the jump. it happens too quickly to try to control, and every one is different in how they jump. they're human, not robots. it's just part of the jump and shifting of weight.
i wouldn't expect anyone who never skated or even did it recreationally to understand, which is why i'm trying to explain. i can speak from many, many years of experience of doing it myself and being taught, competing, volunteer judging, coaching others, etc. i'm not speaking from a place of only watching youtube videos and observing from afar.
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and she was a powerful jumper too...
OK. I apologise for making the rash assumption.
However, I'm not the only one in the skating world who is annoyed at such technique. There's a well-known Italian dissection of some of the jumps at the 2018 Winter Olympics; they point out how so many lutzes weren't even toe jumps, and how they turned so much before takeoff. Javier Fernandez has also been quoted complaining about half turns before the jump itself.
