I don't see it in the ISU documentation, but I have read that the judges can dispute the callers' determinations and demand a look at the videotape after the skate, particularly if they feel that a jump was not underrotated. (I'm not sure if there is a "dispute" button on the control panel.) The problem with this is that if a judge disagrees with the downgrade, s/he has to put in the score at the time of the element, and not change it later.Mathman said:Not only can't the calls of the technical specialists be challenged, neither can obvious keystroke errors be corrected. In the Euro ladies LP one of the judges gave Susanna Poykio a 0.50 (intending a 6.50) for performance/execution. Too bad for Sue. The position on the ISU is, well, high and low marks get thrown out anyway, so no harm done. (?)
Mathman
Joesitz said:It's that serious and Speedy knows it and that's why he worked so hard to prevent any scandal or controversy from arising. Why he didn't work harder to prevent scandal and controversy for itself like naming the judges as a step towards knocking out all of this business is strange.
Mathman said:Not only can't the calls of the technical specialists be challenged, neither can obvious keystroke errors be corrected. In the Euro ladies LP one of the judges gave Susanna Poykio a 0.50 (intending a 6.50) for performance/execution. Too bad for Sue. The position on the ISU is, well, high and low marks get thrown out anyway, so no harm done. (?)
Edited: It was Liashenko's score that was entered wrong (judge #8), not Poykio's.
I agree with that only halfway. Yes, a good juicy scandal can be just the ticket. Gymnastics got a certain amount of publicity out of the Paul Hamm controversy, for instance.Linny said:Scandal gets people watching. The ratings for the SLC Olys zoomed when Time Magazine and others did cover stories on the pairs contraversy. If TV ratings are the name of the game, guess we need more scandals.
Nah, it was stupid. Philadelphia totally mismanaged the clock in the closing minutes. It could have been really exciting, with Philly driving down the field in the closing seconds for a game-tying field goal -- which would have resulted in me winning the office pool with a total of 48 points in regulation -- but noooooooo! -- instead they just let everything peter out anticlimatically.Of course, there are also intense rivalries to heat things up. The ratings for the Super Bowl were not too shabby and I guess it was a heck of a game.
Mathman said:But scandals are interesting only because they are rare. If the public sees figure skating as an activity where every event is fixed and everybody knows it, that's curtains for the sport.Nah, it was stupid. Philadelphia totally mismanaged the clock in the closing minutes. It could have been really exciting, with Philly driving down the field in the closing seconds for a game-tying field goal -- which would have resulted in me winning the office pool with a total of 48 points in regulation -- but noooooooo! -- instead they just let everything peter out anticlimatically.
Mathman
chuckm said:The real scandal is that with all the money, time and effort put into the CoP system, it turns out to be no better than 6.0.
Why? Because the same judges who found ways to circumvent the 6.0 system are in place, and there are so many ways for them to continue to make their deals and skew the results, and now they can't be found out (except by the ISU, which has a dubious history of dealing with inside corruption).
There's a big blowup waiting in the future, and it will most likely happen at Torino. Too bad, because 2006 may well be the last time that figure skating is part of the Winter Olympics.
millie said:I think the big blowup will probably happen at worlds. No matter which skater wins at worlds, I think their will a contraversy. With all this talk about corruption with the judges and the judging system, how will we know who really won and if they won fairly! This is a sad state of affairs for figure skating! I think what's making it worst, all of a sudden everybody has their two cents worth into critizing the system--people like Witt and all the so called commentators. Do they realize that they are making the sport off figure skating so contraversial that it will be the demise of figure skating and nobody will take the sport seriously.
What a great screen name, KW!Kwanford Wife said:Please clarify this for me... Commentators, fans & the media should not point out wacky results, placements & issues because it makes skating controversial. Hmmm... now I would have thought BECAUSE of wacky results, placements & issues figure skating has become controversial.
I think its important that folks start looking at the source of the problems & protest that as that will be the death of figure skating... Saying that Witt, other commentators, fans & the media are wrong to be upset is conterproductive.
Kwanford Wife.