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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    I don't see it as one of the best even if her edge was correct. She doesn't get high enough on it and she isn't all the way around in the air, not even considering how she does a half-turn on the takeoff with the toepick, instead of vaulting into the air straight back from the toepick. She does have the arm position, but so did Brian Boitano, and he jumped higher and didn't cheat his rotation at all.
    She doesnt get it if you compare it with Caro or Liza lutz with nothing before and after the jump happening.. Zhenya jump in this case is not just the simple jump in the air, it is something + jump + something, all of that is one jumping element. Im not trying to defend the judges, im just saying it is a different element as a whole to be judged the same way Caro jump is judged, and ISU thinks how that way is also the valuable one, obviously... And they have very logical reason for that, which i can explain but i got some other posters who are sending me the private messages all the time i need to deal with

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    She doesn't do anything directly before the jump. Unless someone is doing a truly connected entrance, then it's rather irrelevant to judging the quality of the jump itself. Her exit isn't anything special either. The standard is holding your landing edge and free leg out. There's very few things better than that, as that shows excellent control. She drops her free leg to do a slow, shallow spread eagle position. That isn't better technically, I would say it's worse actually. It's fine to not hold every single landing out in the same way, there can be choreographic variance, but random transitions like that don't show technical superiority on a jump.

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    how could i forget Lucinda Ruh? man she was incredible.

    i'd like to watch a spin off between her and Alissa Czisny. i think she'd have the edge, but just for funsies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohen-esque View Post
    Miyabi Oba has done it (not that well).
    Nice.

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    Spins (in recent history):
    Men
    Best Combination Spin - Stephane Lambiel - for example FP EC 2008 or SP EC 2010 (Roman Sadovsky or Shoma Uno if you want something more recently)
    Best Change Foot Spin - Jason Brown - for example SP 4CC 2020
    Best Flying Spin - Deniss Vasiljevs - his sit position is super cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9CJB7Eq3oY
    Ladies
    Best Combination Spin - Kamila Valieva WJC 2020 or Julia Lipnitskaya WC 2014
    Best Layback Spin - Alisa Lozko JGP 2016 or Caroline Zhang 4CC 2012
    Best Flying Spin - Adelina Sotnikova 2014 - her camel position is super cool
    These are the highest scored senior ladies spins from last season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss_3secVE_c
    These videos are also a very good representation of what very good spins are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfon0b13Wtg and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNCyPQa1IzA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxwZD2TL2kk

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    The Girl Without A Face
    I've changed my mind:

    Best 3F+3T is miranda sings in my opinion

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