Well I'm glad Plushy got a bronze here, TBH I was dreading the outcome of this thread and expected to see him down in 10th place because to hear some people talk apparently these were the Worst. Programs. Evah and an offence to all right thinking individuals.
I really enjoyed them so
Maybe? Dai is super popular and much beloved, so I'm not sure there would have been such an outrage. I always got the feeling Plushy wouldn't have minded losing to Dai, after all Dai did have a quad in the free at least.
You're are right about these not been very good programs, but I loved the Tango Amore costume (see avatar) but this ain't a fashion show.
and here we go again.... you could have used other skaters who have won with mistakes... but no... always Patrick... Yes... I am triggered... when will you drop it?^ Yep but Plushenko still probably respected the effort more. And it's a joke he got 0 points for it, when starting the program with a 2Axel easily could have pulled 5 points instead. Just a bad scale of values at the time, or could still be seen as a bad call too, considering the amount of rotation he got on that quad.
Not necessarily, and there is nothing in the rules against it, in terms of base value. This isn't a set pattern dance. The goal is not to mimic one specific thing. The goal is to show turns that meet the base definition, incorporated into a choreography and timing suited to the character and expression of the program and music. His loop was not skidded anyway, and the lobe was not so tight that it would no longer fit the definition.
Do you realize that you could purposefully skid the turn (could be well suited to rock music) and it would require more technique to properly execute such a thing? You would be changing the balance point and need to complete the turn with more strength to push through. If someone doesn't do it right they would come to a standstill or fail to create enough of a circle. Or for example in doing a tighter lobe, someone could do a very fast and well extended illusion position in their loop turn, which is also more difficult than a typical loop turn, regardless if it is on that tighter curve.
No, it's looking at different ways to perform something and show skill. His loop was not poorly executed, you're reaching by trying to claim that. It had flow and balance and proper turning, not to mention the upper body usage while doing it. You are also contradicting yourself by trying to say it can be performed more aggressively or stylized, but must conform to your specific method. If you are purposefully and skillfully making the lobe smaller or bigger, or altering your blade usage to create a different amount of height or a "snap" effect, then it is inherently going to be different. It doesn't show poor execution to do such a thing.
I'm actually now thinking of how extraordinarily difficult it would be to do a loop turn where you go up on your toepick at the midway point, do a full spin, and then come back down on the correct edge and complete the turn.
It did though. The calls were examined and decided. Note that with the scores of the sitting panel in 2010, none of the placements would have changed with the calls I've talked about. Also, our recent panel marked Takahashi 9.5 points closer from GOE and PCS alone.
How convenient of you to think that Takahashi with 1 fall would be a big controversy, and yet Patrick Chan winning with many falls or similar mistakes is not only something you claim to be non-controversial, but also always a deserved win in your opinion.
^ Yep but Plushenko still probably respected the effort more. And it's a joke he got 0 points for it, when starting the program with a 2Axel easily could have pulled 5 points instead. Just a bad scale of values at the time, or could still be seen as a bad call too, considering the amount of rotation he got on that quad.
Not necessarily, and there is nothing in the rules against it, in terms of base value. This isn't a set pattern dance. The goal is not to mimic one specific thing. The goal is to show turns that meet the base definition, incorporated into a choreography and timing suited to the character and expression of the program and music. His loop was not skidded anyway, and the lobe was not so tight that it would no longer fit the definition.
Do you realize that you could purposefully skid the turn (could be well suited to rock music) and it would require more technique to properly execute such a thing? You would be changing the balance point and need to complete the turn with more strength to push through. If someone doesn't do it right they would come to a standstill or fail to create enough of a circle. Or for example in doing a tighter lobe, someone could do a very fast and well extended illusion position in their loop turn, which is also more difficult than a typical loop turn, regardless if it is on that tighter curve.
No, it's looking at different ways to perform something and show skill. His loop was not poorly executed, you're reaching by trying to claim that. It had flow and balance and proper turning, not to mention the upper body usage while doing it. You are also contradicting yourself by trying to say it can be performed more aggressively or stylized, but must conform to your specific method. If you are purposefully and skillfully making the lobe smaller or bigger, or altering your blade usage to create a different amount of height or a "snap" effect, then it is inherently going to be different. It doesn't show poor execution to do such a thing.
I'm actually now thinking of how extraordinarily difficult it would be to do a loop turn where you go up on your toepick at the midway point, do a full spin, and then come back down on the correct edge and complete the turn.
It did though. The calls were examined and decided. Note that with the scores of the sitting panel in 2010, none of the placements would have changed with the calls I've talked about. Also, our recent panel marked Takahashi 9.5 points closer from GOE and PCS alone.
How convenient of you to think that Takahashi with 1 fall would be a big controversy, and yet Patrick Chan winning with many falls or similar mistakes is not only something you claim to be non-controversial, but also always a deserved win in your opinion.
This is all true! Especially his apparent real joy at his medal. I just always wonder what if someone had Been able to convince him to not risk a zero which is what happened to him. One jumping pass with a lot of effort ended with zero. It’s admirable in some ways that it wasn’t possible. Then at worlds he didn’t try quad toe again but quad flip! So it’s apparent that having lysacek carroll mindset strategy wasn’t ever happeningHe wasn't wrong. It was his ideal that he wouldn't compromise, no matter what. He said he was happy to have won a medal at all after coming back from such an awful injury (and I think his genuine joy and the happy tears he cried are proof that he actually meant it). He also stated that he doesn't think he would have been content had he won without attempting a quad. He was fine with the result and he made history anyway, just like the two OBMs after him did.
