Alena Kostornaia leaves Tutberidze

Alex65 said:

I apologize. I'm trying with all my might to understand what you mean by these words. I can't do it. Please explain in some way more understandable what your post says.

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Zora said:

Satoko Miyahara for example. And she was criticised a lot here when she was winning against skaters with far less prerotation. Maybe some figure skating fans just prefer good technique, not everything has to be personal.

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flanker said:

I will presume this is an honest request.

Read the previous comment. To the claim "I don’t think anyone dislikes Anna" I gave examples of claims that appeared in this forum about Anna, that are obviously directed at her as a person, not just on her "flaws", and also mentioned the critique that appears elsewhere and goes far above "just technique, not person" (and BTW I'm obviously not the only one who claimed that here in theis thread). Than there was a reaction wit the core statement "Maybe some figure skating fans just prefer good technique, not everything has to be personal." Though I see the user chose to ignore the examples. The complaints about Anna having endorsements, about being elected by a magazine among five most beautiful ladies etc. (which all appeared here very recently BTW) have nothing to do with just "prefering good technique", those are purely personal things, so just saying "not everything has to be personal" is ridiculous. Even if not everything has to be personal, there is a lot of what actually is personal, which was the original idea of the reaction to the claim "I don’t think anyone dislikes Anna". I hope I made myself clear.

Now I hope I won't be once again attacked for "persistent defending of Anna" or something similar just because I replied to a question. One never knows here.

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Baron Vladimir said:

That is not a correct statement. What you can read on this forum is that Satoko scores actually should be higher. 'Good technique' or whatever you wanna call it and define it by yourself is in question only when particular skaters are in topic (first it was about Zhenya, then about Alina and Anna). So let's not lie ourselves.

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vorravorra said:

There is a reason why Satoko or Anna get technique complaints rather than say Alyona. It's not entirely random. Some skaters actually have better technique.

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Baron Vladimir said:

So, give me the posts where people who complain about take off are talking about Satoko, or Shoma, or Vincent and compare that to Anna's complains. What i also was witnessing watching the competitions is that Alyona and Anna lutz edge is judged totally the same in the past, to the point of time when Anna started to jump lutz as a quadruple, Yet i've never seen someone complain about Alona lutz edge (when their lutz edges are practicaly the same).

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readernick said:

I think many believe Satoko deserves higher PCS scores. I don't think people believe her jumps deserve higher GOE. There have been so many posts about her tiny jumps. The difference is the amount of pushback the criticism gets. Most Satoko fans are aware her jumps don't deserve high GOE and generally don't argue with posters who point this out. Pointing out Anna's technical issues will result in a number of users attacking the person doing the criticizing and claiming it is personal, that poster just hates Eteri, hates it when Russians win...blah blah... It always ends the same. I like Anna. I don't think she has good skating skills, and she has edge issues. If I point that out, I will be accused of all kinds of personal biases. This doesn't happen when I point out other skater's (non-Eteri skaters) weaknesses.

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vorravorra said:

There is a reason why Satoko or Anna get technique complaints rather than say Alyona. It's not entirely random. Some skaters actually have better technique.

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readernick said:

There are complaints about Alyona's lutz edged in this very thread. Go back a few pages.

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Baron Vladimir said:

So, give me the posts where people who complain about take off are talking about Satoko, or Shoma, or Vincent and compare that to Anna's complains. What i also was witnessing watching the competitions is that Alyona and Anna lutz edge is judged totally the same in the past, to the point of time when Anna started to jump lutz as a quadruple, Yet i've never seen someone complain about Alona lutz edge (when their lutz edges are practicaly the same). Nobody ever called Wakaba a flutzer, even all lutzes in her career are judged as that etc etc So, for people who are watching competions the pattern is obvious.

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Baron Vladimir said:

So, give me the posts where people who complain about take off are talking about Satoko, or Shoma, or Vincent and compare that to Anna's complains. What i also was witnessing watching the competitions is that Alyona and Anna lutz edge is judged totally the same in the past, to the point of time when Anna started to jump lutz as a quadruple, Yet i've never seen someone complain about Alona lutz edge (when their lutz edges are practicaly the same). Nobody ever called Wakaba a flutzer, even all lutzes in her career are judged as that etc etc So, for people who are watching competitions, that pattern of commenting things (against or pro someone) is rather obvious.

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vorravorra said:

With Satoko, Shoma, as well as Anna people complain about prerotation and full-blade takeoffs, I am not sure what you are getting at with "compare that to Anna's complains". Even fans of these skaters don't generally claim they have textbook jumps.

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vorravorra said:

With Satoko, Shoma, as well as Anna people complain about prerotation and full-blade takeoffs, I am not sure what you are getting at with "compare that to Anna's complains". Even fans of these skaters don't generally claim they have textbook jumps.

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Baron Vladimir said:

And who is saying that Anna's lutz should get maximum points. Yet people still complain about it.

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NadezhdaNadya said:

Agree.
Edit: Plus I notice that many of Anna's fans are extremely rude. If you point out her flaws they are never going to agree with you, they will try to change the topic - blah, blah, blah she is not the only skater with such flaws or they will personally attack you. Like one of the users here who told me that the things I post here are nonsense. And all this when I have not had personally attack him myself.

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NadezhdaNadya said:

I have no idea why she has them. If I had to decide I would have given them to other skaters (with good technique, of course).

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NadezhdaNadya said:

Let me explain. Many people dislike Anna because of her excessive pre-rotation (both triples and quads) and poor skating skills. Most of her jumps have no significant height nor significant distance. (In another FS forum people are saying that she can barely jump over a newspaper.)

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NadezhdaNadya said:

https://youtu.be/8RU-KJmOFg8
This is one of the worst channels on youtube. I swear.
Anna and Alina are in TOP 5 Most Beautiful Russian Girls/Women.
People in comment section are writing:"Yes, they are loyal and grateful", "they have inner beauty too", etc.
This TOP 5 is a joke. Alyona Kostornaya is the best looking Russian girl.

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TallyT said:

They complain when all of the above get more points that they think justified.

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Baron Vladimir said:

So, they should just read the rules about figure skating and judging protocols based on it. I do not see anybody complaining why the earth is the shape it is, fot that matter.

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Baron Vladimir said:

So, they should just read the rules about figure skating and judging protocols based on it. I do not see anybody complaining why the earth is the shape it is, fot that matter.

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