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Alena Kostornaia leaves Tutberidze
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I do have to agree and have urged above poster in the past to rethink the way his/her criticism is phrased. It should never be about disliking a skater on a personal level. Technical flaws have no relationship with the value or quality of a person. They only relate to the scores they should be receiving.
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I do not care about her as a person at all. The person Anna does not exist for me. But the skater Anna I dislike immensely. So... I do not agree with her records, medals, titles and endorsements.
(I do not think either that she is one of the most beautiful Russian ladies.)
First, Aliona doesn't have perfect deep lutz edge, but last season her edge is improving.
Second, if we deflate the "fluzt" factor in the field, Aliona is still the champion and Anna probably won't even hit the podium. Ladies like Liz and Rika who have textbook techniques will move up. They are the real VICTIMS of the so-called Eteri-flation. However, history shows only good techniques last long. And that's why more and more Eteri girls are leaving her.
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She is a teenage athlete, as is Aliona. We don’t need adults to comment on their personal appearance. It isn’t appropriate or related to their skating. Comments on technique is fine, but saying “I dislike her” implies personal dislike. A better phrase would be, “I am not drawn to her skating,” Please rethink the way you phrase things.
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Agree.
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Let's not change the subject. Which is the way of 'complaining' about particular skater. It's very simple after all. If people are defending some particular skater, they must feel how that skater is attacked in first place. The difference i can speak is from my own perspective - nobody ever for 5064 posts i wrote here have never complained to me about my words addressed to any skater. So, why is then the case that people are addressing how some posters are 'attacking' that skater, no matter what their perspective is. If i think that any particular skater is 'attacked' and i want to 'defend' her, then let's say that the problem is in me. If that makes it easier to understand.
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One poster is “attacking”. This poster is the only poster I have ever seen make comments about Anna that go beyond constructive criticism. So, if all of your complaints are about said poster that is fine. Those comments aren’t appropriate, but I get the impression you dislike all criticism of Anna and that just isn’t reasonable. You are the one changing the topic after Tally intelligently addressed your claim that people just need to read the protocols and after, I , and other posters provided proof that other skaters do get criticism ( lots of it) for their technical issues that aren’t called by judging panels. ( and I am not even talking about pre-rotation which is open to interpretation in the rules, I am just discussing edges which clearly should be called according to the ISU rules)
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Anna exists for you. But you don't like her or her skating. Okay. Not liking her skating is your choice but not liking Anna is perplexing to us. Do you find an arrogant or someone who is mean to others? I think I can answer that for you. Nyet! But she's one of the favorites for Bejiing gold like it or not.
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Guys, this is “ Aliona leaving Eteri” thread... Not “Anna is hated” thread...
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I repeat (or did I say it elsewhere this morning?) Not one of the major skaters doesn't rub some fans the wrong way. There's not one single celebrity in the world that probably doesn't.
Good point.
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Maybe I just think i know what 'constructive' criticisms really are. They (in my world) certainly don't include (one particular or even any other particular) skater's name to begin with.
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Aliona is getting to work with young Sergei so she must be flying around the ice!
The pandemic has affected everybody in the world even athletes who are young and brilliant like Alena. I'm still amazed that she lost her jumps especially her triple axel during the pandemic. But we need to remember people like her and figure skaters in general are only human prone to the same problems regular people have.
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Why would any figure skater rub someone the wrong way? Anna isn't crazy or a politician or a controversial movie star. There's no reason she should be rubbing anyone the wrong way. We like some skaters more than others just like everyone here but I have no one I have disdain for or who rubs me the wrong way.
I'll give you all a for instance
If Some people prefer Anna and her quiet classy demeanor to others it doesn't mean others rub them the wrong way.
I just hope flanker is not reading nadezdas posts about Anna. His head will explode!
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Source? I remember it coming out after Alina and Alena skated one of their GPs, I believe IDF. I don't recall if they named either specifically, though.
Edit: see nussnacker's post. It was confirmed the letter was motivated by Alina and Alena's calls at IdF and not related to Anna's 4Lz calls or the judging of Liza (which was also deemed harsh by some) at CoC.
Man, there must've been a "straw that broke the camel's back" incident that happened in July for Kostornaia to leave so abruptly.
Up until now, the narrative has been that "declining" skaters left Tutberidze camp. Now even skaters at the top leave her before they get the OGM.
Up until now, the narrative has been that "declining" skaters left Tutberidze camp. Now even skaters at the top leave her before they get the OGM.
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My opinion is that it was because of the 3A. A few weeks ago, Alena said that she hasn't been able to get the 3A back, then the split happened. From the interviews on both sides prior to the split, it seemed like everything was going well with the programs; the coaches liked them and Alena liked them (and even if it was a white lie that some are suggesting, Alena didn't dip when she got the choreography given the timeframe). It would be sense if that were the case as Alena has credited Rozanov with teaching her the 3A, so she'd want to work with him again.
But so far it's all speculation. For Sasha, we had the interview where she more or less said that there was a clash between her and the team. They wanted to limit the number of quads she did, and Sasha didn't want the limit, so she left for a coach whose goals aligned with hers. With Alena, maybe there will also be an interview so we can hear the actual reasons from her.
Rozanov left earlier this year, Kostornaia credited him with helping her get the triple axel, so she might have been struggling May-July to get it back and decided she needed to be with the coach that helped her get it last year.
Tutberidze may need to consider her stance on not allowing the skaters to do the things they want. They wanted Trusova to focus on going clean vs. attempting to throw every single quad she had, but that wasn't what Trusova wanted to do, at some point take the approach that it's the skater's career on the line; I don't think if Trusova failed to win any major titles would have reflected poorly on Tutberidze's record, she's built a resume that she helps create champions and honestly letting Trusova doing her own thing and it not resulting in championships would work to Tutberidze's advantage with other skaters "look, we let her do her own thing going against our recommendations and she failed to win, this is why you do it our way". Kostornaia on the other hand, if Tutberidze's statement is true (and it's the only version of events we've been provided at this point) then honestly I don't see how it was a salvageable coaching relationship unless Kostornaia changed her mind
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Why would any figure skater rub someone the wrong way? Anna isn't crazy or a politician or a controversial movie star. There's no reason she should be rubbing anyone the wrong way. We like some skaters more than others just like everyone here but I have no one I have disdain for or who rubs me the wrong way.
I'll give you all a for instance
If Some people prefer Anna and her quiet classy demeanor to others it doesn't mean others rub them the wrong way.
I just hope flanker is not reading nadezdas posts about Anna. His head will explode!
I have to agree. What could Anna possibly do to make someone dislike her? I dislike two skaters personally. One who was known to be violent to his ice dance partner and the other who engaged in unacceptable behavior with a minor. Other than that, I like some skaters skating much more than others but it doesn’t influence my opinion of them as people.
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Very reasonable post. It would be interesting to hear Alena’s thoughts, but I hope she doesn’t feel pressured to comment if she would prefer to keep her thoughts to herself. It is all her decision and she doesn’t owe anyone an explanation.
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