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Heartbrokem for Yulia - this year might be difficult to get a spot on a team

There's no way she gets a spot for Europeans or Worlds. At best, she is the 6th place Russian lady now and she will likely finish lower than that at Nationals.
 
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My quick thoughts:

Medvedeva: Definitely the winner here. Strong SP, solid FS aside from the fall on the 2A. I think she's one of the strongest debuting juniors we've seen in a while but the judges must have been drunk while handing out these scores. Some of them gave her 9s in PCS. Give me a break! She's a solid high 7s...maybe a low 8 in PE. The excess of mid to high 8s and even 9+s was purely ridiculous.

Gracie: Good to finally see her stand up and deliver. She doesn't bring nearly enough personality to her performance which I expect was due to her focusing so hard on the jumps. Hopefully this performance was a confidence builder for her and she'll do better at her next event. It's obvious she can't afford to miss one jump (let alone two) if she wants to make it to the top this year. Gracie was the only one of the medalists not to fall...that's progress.

Satoko: Lovely performance as always. I just love the fluidity and control in her movement. She's simply gorgeous to watch. That fall on the lutz wasn't good but at least she was able to finish out everything cleanly. She will never get the kind of PCS she deserves and I'm just going to accept that. Shame.

Julia: At least there were no flower girls' feelings for her to hurt this time and good thing too. She looked ready to kill someone sitting in the K&C. She is really struggling. Her stroking around the ice looked a bit labored and uneven, the jumps were AWOL...she still has a lot of work to do.


I agree with the placements but I'm totally put-off by the scoring at this event. Evgenia was over-scored in PCS by about 6 points total and Gracie was over-scored by 4 points. I sure hope this mega-inflated scoring is confined solely to this competition and that this isn't a glimpse of things to come. If this is what we can expect for the rest of the season, it's going to be an immensely bull excrement filled year.
 
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My quick thoughts:

Medvedeva: Definitely the winner here. Strong SP, solid FS aside from the fall on the 2A. I think she's one of the strongest debuting juniors we've seen in a while but the judges must have been drunk while handing out these scores. Some of them gave her 9s in PCS. Give me a break! She's a solid high 7s...maybe a low 8 in PE. The excess of mid to high 8s and even 9+s was purely ridiculous.

Gracie: Good to finally see her stand up and deliver. She doesn't bring nearly enough personality to her performance which I expect was due to her focusing so hard on the jumps. Hopefully this performance was a confidence builder for her and she'll do better at her next event. It's obvious she can't afford to miss one jump (let alone two) if she wants to make it to the top this year. Gracie was the only one of the medalists not to fall...that's progress.

Satoko: Lovely performance as always. I just love the fluidity and control in her movement. She's simply gorgeous to watch. That fall on the lutz wasn't good but at least she was able to finish out everything cleanly. She will never get the kind of PCS she deserves and I'm just going to accept that. Shame.

Julia: At least there were no flower girls' feelings for her to hurt this time and good thing too. She looked ready to kill someone sitting in the K&C. She is really struggling. Her stroking around the ice looked a bit labored and uneven, the jumps were AWOL...she still has a lot of work to do.


I agree with the placements but I'm totally put-off by the scoring at this event. Evgenia was over-scored in PCS by about 6 points total and Gracie was over-scored by 4 points. I sure hope this mega-inflated scoring is confined solely to this competition and that this isn't a glimpse of things to come. If this is what we can expect for the rest of the season, it's going to be an immensely bull excrement filled year.

:thumbsup: To everything you wrote!!! P.s. Can't wait for your Naked Ice Blog update.
 
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The placement on the podium is right. Gracie won FP with a shortage of 1 triple. If she had 7 triples and jumped the flip in SP she would have won this. Then if Evgenia did not fall it would have been a close call. I think Gracie would have won with about 211 against Medvedeva's 209. Although I would still give the first place to Zhenya. I just did not see the firebird at all - no emotions, no aggression. Then Gracie's 8.8 for interpretation is a mystery to me. Anna last season was imo much closer to the image although she fell all the time.

Miyahara was a nice surprise today although her jumps are still as tiny as always. And I do feel for Yulia. In this dress it is obvious how different she is. She has quite sizeable breasts now. It may be such a pain not to control your body as you could before. I hope she and Eteri will figure something out and adjust to changes.
 

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I always find the ladies to have the most comments for threads. I mean threads for ladies singles.

As I was there, I'll say what I want to say:

Evgenia: She definitely was mostly clean except for that fall and thd stumble. But she deserved the win.

Gracie: I was nervous she was going to head case here, but nope! Shame about the last jump. It was fair she got 2nd.

Nicole: What a GREAT comeback for her! I'm so happy for her!

Alaine: :'( I was holding my breath the entire time. I felt so bad for her.
 

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The placement on the podium is right. Gracie won FP with a shortage of 1 triple. If she had 7 triples and jumped the flip in SP she would have won this. Then if Evgenia did not fall it would have been a close call. I think Gracie would have won with about 211 against Medvedeva's 209. Although I would still give the first place to Zhenya. I just did not see the firebird at all - no emotions, no aggression. Then Gracie's 8.8 for interpretation is a mystery to me. Anna last season was imo much closer to the image although she fell all the time.

Miyahara was a nice surprise today although her jumps are still as tiny as always. And I do feel for Yulia. In this dress it is obvious how different she is. She has quite sizeable breasts now. It may be such a pain not to control your body as you could before. I hope she and Eteri will figure something out and adjust to changes.

I never realized how broad her shoulders got until they showed a clip of her in Sochi. Growth spurts can be a pain if you're a figure skater.
 

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I suppose that would have been the best skater to leave out, considering how poorly her FS went. (Pretty sure NBC didn't know that ahead of time though.)

Thanks for the update! I will watch it when I get home, along with CBC and British Eurosport.

sabinfire:

I forgot to say that one of the introductory bits before it was time for YL's live free skate was that NBC showed a b-roll montage of the top five ladies (per the SP) with audio from the skaters themselves making comments. (Satoko was speaking English for her comment, BTW. Subtitles for the comments in Russian from YL and EM.)
And ... the reason I mention it is that the montage ended with the five ladies each saying her own name -- first name and last name. (Made me smile -- in case you and Doris do not have an EM video yet for the GS pronouncer thread??)

As for Alaine, I agree that NBC could not have predicted that she would underperform in her FS to the extent that she did.
But NBC's crystal ball turned out to be reliable in a general way that her free skate would be "skippable" from an editorial point of view b/c she would not be a threat for the podium.
 
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I agree as well. Both Gracie and Evgenia had similar content - 6 triples for Gracie and 7 for Evgenia with a fall. Gracie is a bit more polished, but Evgenia had more transitions and seemed to skate with more speed and freedom. I also found Gracie's FS to be so dull. I'm not surprised the scores were so close in the FS. I don't usually like the Russian baby ballerinas, but Evgenia deserved the win overall tonight.

I agree with this. I think if anything we should be debating the SP scores from last night. This evening was fair. Both benefited from inflated PCS. Gracie won the long too.
 

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I think Alaine Chartrand will be relieved that NBC did not air her FS. It is probably the worst one she's ever done in her senior career. A synopsis:

3a↓, 3z<↓, 3fe, 3lo, 2a<<↓, 3z+3t<<, 3s+seq

and the score:

88.80 39.69 52.11 6.93 6.39 6.25 6.61 6.39 3.00
 
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I forgot to say that one of the introductory bits before it was time for YL's live free skate was that NBC showed a b-roll montage of the top five ladies (per the SP) with audio from the skaters themselves making comments. (Satoko was speaking English for her comment, BTW. Subtitles for the comments in Russian from YL and EM.)
And ... the reason I mention it is that the montage ended with the five ladies each saying her own name -- first name and last name. (Made me smile -- in case you and Doris do not have an EM video yet for the GS pronouncer thread??)

Oooh, no, I've been looking for Evgenia's name. That's perfect! I'll have to see to it when I get back. Thanks for letting me know, sometimes I don't check on my NBC recordings for awhile if I didn't watch them live.
 

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I'm sorry, it's just the way it looked translated to that you were annoyed that I was trying to be positive and happy. Please forgive me.

All's forgiven. But I should have been more clear with my comment that posters would be more positive if the judges weren't over-inflating scores for some skaters.
 

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All's forgiven. But I should have been more clear with my comment that posters would be more positive if the judges weren't over-inflating scores for some skaters.

I understand. I just don't pay attention and just be happy for the skaters.
 

*~RussianBleux~*

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Long story short, Chartrand did not exist as far as NBC was concerned.
Her FS was not shown; her name was never shown or spoken; not one frame of her was ever seen (AFAIK) ... although she was in the final group.

The other five Ladies free skates from the final group were shown live in entirety.

No SP was shown in entirety. Some b-roll and commentary re Gold's SP in particular. Plus an SP montage of Gold plus the other four ladies (but not Chartrand).

Basically no mention of any other discipline whatsoever. Basically no mention of any Team USA skaters except Karen and Gracie.
(A few frames of other disciplines were seen in the opening animations re GP series as a whole and re Skate America. Possibly a glimpse of Jason in that context??)

I find it interesting to telegraph that Chartrand wasn't going to do well before her skate. As far as the rest, they were on limited time. What I hate about showing only the final group live is they can't make decisions on who they want to show based on how well everyone performed and the final result. It would have been nice to see Elizabet and I think she certainly deserved to be shown.
 

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Evegenia's skating seems one-dimensional to me watch live, but Gracie's program really is 3 dimensional projection and really intricate details, if you watch her in front row, and well very designed ice pattern/coverage, if you watch her from a few rows up in a whole rink perspective!!
 
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