2018 Worlds Mens Short Program

yude

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As for your information, Japanese commentators (including Takeshi Honda) pointed out the possibility of UR on Vincent's combo, and they sounded a little surprised (to me) when they found out that the jump was not called.
 

Miss Ice

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As for your information, Japanese commentators (including Takeshi Honda) pointed out the possibility of UR on Vincent's combo, and they sounded a little surprised (to me) when they found out that the jump was not called.

I thought the 3T was more questionable than the 4Lz. The 4Lz looked 1/4 UR to me, which is allowed.
 

dalenofff

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As for your information, Japanese commentators (including Takeshi Honda) pointed out the possibility of UR on Vincent's combo, and they sounded a little surprised (to me) when they found out that the jump was not called.

And Kurt Browning thought Vincent 4 Flip at national was fully rotated and judge end up calling that it was UR... so what is your point? commentators are commentators, they don't get to see the slow motion replay..... in the end only the judge call matter.
 

sweetice

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Any news about Shoma's right foot ? I was hoping to a fight between him and Nathan, but now...

I wasn't expecting to see Kolyada like that, but now, with Shoma's problem, Vincent have more chance to medal, even if its free is really void of transitions.
 

Blades of Passion

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This was quite underwhelming to me, none of the performances were inspiring. Nathan's jumps lack quality and that 4Flip did indeed look underrotated, plus a major lack of preceding footwork. Vincent is even more inexplicably getting away without a call, that 4Lz was short. His 4F was slightly better this time though, only 1/4 short instead of more, LOL (but also questionable lack of required entry footwork and not punished at all). Then we have Shoma suddenly going for a 3Sal+3Toe combo and messing it up even? What is going on there.

Meanwhile, Boyang shouldn't have been called for his 4T, it's so obvious how the tech panel frequently deducts just because they see some kind of other visible problem with the landing of a jump, rather than closely scrutinizing the rotation itself. Unfortunately his program is disjointed though and with little depth being expressed. Kolyada wins on jump technique and has good skating skills and presentation ability, but his program is quite nonsensical. Movement frivolously applied on top of a bad music cut.
 

bobbob

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Boyang underscored! He should be tied with Nathan around. Other than that Vincent did better than expected. He shouldn't be above Boyang though. Vincent has a shot at a medal if he goes lights out in the free, especially since Shoma doesn't look very good right now.
 

Logirl

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Shoma has a foot injury. My goodness people it is no way a health Shoma goes for that. But he says Japan spots are on the line and he is dragging them so he plans to do his regular routine up until the end.
 

aliceeeee

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actually Yan Han wants to retire already, and China this year does not have a third man other than Boyang or Han that met the MTS to go to the worlds so.... we only have Boyang here
 

eaglehelang

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This was quite underwhelming to me, none of the performances were inspiring. Nathan's jumps lack quality and that 4Flip did indeed look underrotated, plus a major lack of preceding footwork. Vincent is even more inexplicably getting away without a call, that 4Lz was short. His 4F was slightly better this time though, only 1/4 short instead of more, LOL (but also questionable lack of required entry footwork and not punished at all). Then we have Shoma suddenly going for a 3Sal+3Toe combo and messing it up even? What is going on there.

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Shoma-> right foot injury hence the easier layout. Shoma is not happy he messed up "the easiest jump" .You missed the drama when 2 days ago he just came out to practice 2 min then went back in. Then went to hospital for get his foot xrayed.
In post SP interviews, Shoma said he intends to keep his original LP layout
 

yude

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And Kurt Browning thought Vincent 4 Flip at national was fully rotated and judge end up calling that it was UR... so what is your point? commentators are commentators, they don't get to see the slow motion replay..... in the end only the judge call matter.

Of course, as I said, it is just a information ;)

Having watched Honda's commentary for 8 years or so, he had been pretty accurate on the tech calls without seeing the replay being fair to the all skaters (also he does the math so quick in his mind, which is sometimes :shocked:). But yes, he is just a very professional commentator and not a judge.
 

LucyH

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Was not a fan of the inconsistent UR calls - if you're going to call UR on Boyang, you better damn well call if for the others! I just want the judging to consistent for EVERYONE - but apparently that is much too big an ask! UGH
 

Sabrina

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After watching Shoma's SP I think he should retire. Risking a bigger injury is no joke. In his condition he has little chance of getting on the podium. It is true that in 1 leg, he still was the best of the Japanese men.
 

Interspectator

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After watching Shoma's SP I think he should retire. Risking a bigger injury is no joke. In his condition he has little chance of getting on the podium. It is true that in 1 leg, he still was the best of the Japanese men.

That's so extreme...he just needs a rest. :shocked: He'll be ok once the season is over and he can re-group.
 
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That's so extreme...he just needs a rest. :shocked: He'll be ok once the season is over and he can re-group.

He does need a rest. I also would love for him to start correcting the way he lands jumps, for one, because that simply can't be good for his body in the long run. His alignment seems completely out of whack and it's his stature and core strength that help there, I think.
 

Kara

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What's with people suggesting young skaters retire in this thread??? Seriously?? The judges have put us in bizarro world.
 

Sabrina

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That's so extreme...he just needs a rest. :shocked: He'll be ok once the season is over and he can re-group.

Retiring from a WC when you are injured is not such a drastic thing. He is very young and has a lot of other chances. Health is more important. But I guess he might try to help with Japan's spots.
 

Kara

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Retiring from a WC when you are injured is not such a drastic thing. He is very young and has a lot of other chances. Health is more important. But I guess he might try to help with Japan's spots.

Do you mean withdraw? :frown:
 

Interspectator

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Retiring from a WC when you are injured is not such a drastic thing. He is very young and has a lot of other chances. Health is more important. But I guess he might try to help with Japan's spots.

Oh, I see. Wthdraw is the more common word rather than retire, I misunderstood. :thumbsup:
 
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