2021-22 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

flanker

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Russian national team (seniors):

Anna Shcherbakova
Alexandra Trusova
Kamila Valieva
Daria Usacheva
Maiia Khromykh
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
Aliona Kostornaia (reserve)
Elizaveta Nugumanova (reserve)

Russian national team (juniors and novices*):

TBD

Olympic assignments (4-20 february 2022, Beijing):

TBD

ISU Championships assignments:

Worlds (21-27 march 2022, Montpellier):


TBD

Europeans (10-16 january 2022, Tallin):

TBD

Jr Worlds (7-13 march 2022, Sofia):

TBD

Skaters with GP assignments:

Skate AmericaSkate CanadaCup of ChinaNHK TrophyInternationaux de FranceRostelecom Cup
22-24 October 2021, Las Vegas29-31 October 2021, Vancouver5-7 November 2021, Chongqing12-14 November 2021, TBD19-21 November 2021, Grenoble26-28 November 2021, Moscow
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Skaters with JGP assignments:

JGP FranceJGP CanadaJGP SlovakiaJGP RussiaJGP SloveniaJGP PolandJGP Austria
18-21 August 2021, Courchevel25-28 August 2021, Edmonton1-4 September 2021, Košice15-18 September 2021, Krasnoyarsk22-25 September 2021, Ljubljana29 Sept - 2 Oct 2021, Gdansk6-9 October 2021, Linz
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GP and JGP Final:

ISU GP of Figure Skating Final - SeniorsISU GP of Figure Skating Final - Juniors
9-12 December 20219-12 December 2021
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Winter Universiade (11-21 december 2021, Luzern):

TBD

Skaters with CS and other remarkable international assignments:

TBD

Russian Sr Nationals:

TBD

Russian Jr Nationals:

TBD

Stages of the Russian Cup - seniors:

TBD

Russian Cup Final - seniors:

TBD

Stages of the Russian Cup - juniors:

TBD

Russian Cup Final - juniors:

TBD

Coming to senior age:

TBD

Coming to junior age:

TBD

Coaching changes:

Alexandra Trusova - from Angels of Plushenko to Sambo 70 Khrustalnyi

Retirements and switching of disciplines:

TBD

Main topics:

It's the olympic season :biggrin:

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spicymacaron

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Holy... I had to double check to see if this wasn't some kind of delayed April fools' joke. How is these even going to work? Does Eteri have conditions like she did with Aliona? Also, there's no way Daria and Maiia are happy with this, their chances at Olympics have gone down with Aliona and Sasha both returning.
 

Arbitrary

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It was said already today's morning 1 May 2021 Trusova completed her first session with the commoners group of the Dome.
She started her way up to the skies from the very beginning, the Bantha fodder group, plankton...
 

flanker

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What what what? OMG, for real? LOL.
Eteri is the true indestructable iron lady. :biggrin:

The other thing is even I can hardly imagine how the team will be able to manage six top senior ladies at once who all have at least a decent chance for the olympics, plus of course Alina and Evgenia plus Lilbet if she's healthy plus Morisi plus the juniors.
 
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Novalis

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Eteri is the true indestructable iron lady. :biggrin:

The other thing is even I can hardly imagine how the team will be able to manage six top senior ladies at once who all have at least a decent chance for the olympics, plus of course Alina and Evgenia plus Lilbet if she's healthy plus Morisi plus the juniors.
You would think that they would at least hire another choreographer, or at least let someone like Averbukh do some of their choreos
 

Fluture

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Well, prefacing this by saying that the move probably increased Sasha‘s Olympic chances. While I was happy about some of her earlier improvements this season (that all vanished when she went back to the old “5 quads ride or die“ strategy...), it was clear that Plushenko and co. were unorganized, chaotic and just plain inexperienced. Also, the federation has made it obvious as can be that they‘ll prefer an all Eteri World/Olympic team. Now, they‘re pretty much guaranteed that.

However, all in all, I‘m still gutted by this move. Not because I liked Plushenko (I don‘t lol) or because I was such a fan of the academy but because I think this is overall a very discouraging situation for Russian ladies figure skating. Plushenko had all the chances to create a well-run alternative to Eteri‘s team and to - finally! - create some competition. Now, this season has pretty much “proven“ that in Russian ladies, you either skate with Eteri, or you don‘t skate at all (or, you can skate, ofc, but you won‘t make any teams). There‘s Mishin, sure, but he‘s old and not all too likely to coach for another few cycles. And Davydov, of course, but he already sees skaters leave him for Eteri because he doesn‘t get enough funding. Other than that? Nothing. I know there‘ll already be gleeful comments about how you cannot “defeat Eteri“ but realistically, if you look at the broader picture, a situation like this is very worrisome for a discipline overall. Has this ever worked out that ONE coaching team has coached all the top talents? And don‘t @ me with Viner, she just oversees the whole thing and every girl has their own coach.

It might work out for the Olympic season, sure, and Eteri will get the whole Olympic podium. But afterwards? There will be Akatieva and Petrosyan and Berestovskaia and now they decided they want to work with pairs too for whatever reason. 9 girls + Morisi and whatever other boys they‘re coaching on international competitions, and three coaches? (+ Tsurskaya, I guess) Are you kidding me? If Eteri really stays true to her “everyone gets the same chances/same amount of attention“ comments then the quality of coaching will inevitably go down for every single athlete. Not to mention Daniil‘s choreography, which already has suffered from the reduced time spent on an individual skater and him having to crank out like 50 programs each season. They pretty much have to bring in a new choreographer if they want to maintain at least a reasonable standard of programs.

We‘ll see how it goes, I guess. But I‘m worried for the skaters involved who know after this season that it‘s either Eteri‘s or they can kiss their medal chances goodbye. What a sad state for a discipline to be in, no matter the amount of medals it brings. You can call me an Eteri hater if you‘d like to but in my eyes, all it does is kill individuality. And that‘s pretty depressing for a sport as inherently creative and, yes, individual as figure skating.
 

Azikin

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Plushenko had all the chances to create a well-run alternative to Eteri‘s team and to - finally! - create some competition.
It would be nice and he still has that chance. But he needs to raise his own skaters, not steal them from the others. We'll see how it will go with the skaters that he's raising... he still has Rozanov and Yulia, doesn't he? Maybe not for logn, we'll see...
 

Fluture

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It would be nice and he still has that chance. But he needs to raise his own skaters, not steal them from the others. We'll see how it will go with the skaters that he's raising... he still has Rozanov and Yulia, doesn't he? Maybe not for logn, we'll see...

Yes, in theory. But the academy took such a big hit in reputation, it will be hard to recover from that. They lost four high profile skaters + a coach (Volkov) this season. I guess he could work his way up the rank with the Zhilinas, Muravieva and Titova, but it‘s a fact that he went into this season with lots of momentum and subsequently lost all of it.

As for ”stealing“. Tutberidze and her team just “stole“ T/M, despite them being a completely inexperienced team in pairs coaching. So, I don‘t want to hear anything else about this. You don‘t get to choose when it‘s stealing/poaching and when it isn‘t. Skaters change coaches all the time for a number of reasons. In the end they are individuals who make their own choices, they‘re not goods or products.
 

nussnacker

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Has this ever worked out that ONE coaching team has coached all the top talents?
You’re saying this as if Eteri suddenly got all the skaters she never worked with. You do realize they all have been working with her for years, right?
Eteri’s group didn’t really change this year for seniors, the only new skaters she got were 3(?) novices (Sadkova, Dvoyeglazova, Kostyleva) and Evgenia (if we count her)
The skaters in her senior group otherwise remained the same, only Aliona and Sasha left, and now both are back.
It’s just Kamila, Daria and Maiia weren’t as strong a year ago, weren’t really considered to be major threats, now they improved a lot.
 

Fluture

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You’re saying this as if Eteri suddenly got all the skaters she never worked with. You do realize they all have been working with her for years, right?
Eteri’s group didn’t really change this year for seniors, the only new skaters she got were 3(?) novices (Sadkova, Dvoyeglazova, Kostyleva) and Evgenia (if we count her)
The skaters in her senior group otherwise remained the same, only Aliona and Sasha left, and now both are back.
It’s just Kamila, Daria and Maiia weren’t as strong a year ago, weren’t really considered to be major threats, now they improved a lot.

I’m aware of this and have said something similar when Aliona went back. This is a situation that would have happened regardless of whether Sasha or Aliona returned, we were headed for a scenario like this all along. This doesn’t make it better, IMO. But my main argument is something else entirely anyway.

This season “proved“ something, which makes these transfers so noteworthy, despite Eteri having worked with all of them before (Or maybe exactly due to this). It proves that in Russian ladies singles, you cannot skate successfully without being in her team. All three ladies who sought out an individual path ultimately went back to her. You can interpret this as a success story for her team and you‘re perfectly free to do this. For me, however, it‘s a discouraging sign.

I personally think that a discipline needs more than one successful coaching team. Competition leads to growth and individuality after all and I don‘t see how it will be possible for one team to keep coaching all the increasing talent without there being a significant drop in quality both in terms of coaching and choreography.
 

nussnacker

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her team just “stole“ T/M
Are you sure this is comparable?
T/M were basically rejected by everyone.
Mozer didn’t want to work with them, calling them an “uninteresting project”. Trankov said he can’t (and doesn’t want to) be their main coach, and that he isn’t fit for this job, but this again came to be his responsibility when T/M couldn’t work with Zoueva the whole season. I mean you could say she “stole” them from Zoueva, but they haven’t worked with her for a year. It couldn’t go on like this, I think it’s obvious. Going into Olympic season, they had too much uncertainty with their coaching, going between US and Russia would barely be an option. They needed someone to coach them in Russia, and as literally no one wanted to coach them here and Trankov doesn’t have a rink, I bet T/M are very thankful to have at least some certainty in their lives. Plus, they asked Eteri for help. I think they wanted someone to take responsibility for them, and organize the whole process of preparing for Olympics. It may very well backfire, but T/M spent a whole Olympic quad with no semblance of organized training, it was a chaos from start to finish.
 

Fluture

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Are you sure this is comparable?
T/M were basically rejected by everyone.
Mozer didn’t want to work with them, calling them an “uninteresting project”. Trankov said he can’t (and doesn’t want to) be their main coach, and that he isn’t fit for this job, but this again came to be his responsibility when T/M couldn’t work with Zoueva the whole season. I mean you could say she “stole” them from Zoueva, but they haven’t worked with her for a year. It couldn’t go on like this, I think it’s obvious. Going into Olympic season, they had too much uncertainty with their coaching, going between US and Russia would barely be an option. They needed someone to coach them in Russia, and as literally no one wanted to coach them here and Trankov doesn’t have a rink, I bet T/M are very thankful to have at least some certainty in their lives. Plus, they asked Eteri for help. I think they wanted someone to take responsibility for them, and organize the whole process of preparing for Olympics. It may very well backfire, but T/M spent a whole Olympic quad with no semblance of organized training, it was a chaos from start to finish.

For the record, I don‘t believe Eteri stole T/M. Nor do I believe Plushenko stole Aliona and Sasha. They obviously all needed a change and were offered one. It‘s up to them to accept. Do you think Anna or Kamila would have accepted an offer from another coach last season? No. So, this proves that Aliona and Sasha went on their own accords. I‘ve just never understood the “poaching/stealing“ argument. If an athlete believes they‘ll have better chances/conditions somewhere else, they‘ll leave. If not, then...not. Calling this “stealing“ just weirdly makes it look like they‘re objects or someone elses property, which I personally take an issue with as it takes away their agency. But I see I‘ll be rehashing an old discussion that I really had no intention of. Let‘s agree to disagree.
 
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starlight97

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Well well Sasha's dad brings it again in spite of Sasha saying 3 weeks ago she wouldn't change coach in an Olympic Season 😂

In this move, quiet the opposite to Alena, it's hard to see the obvious improvement they must be looking for.

She was as inconsistent with Plushenko as she had always been with Eteri and she has gotten pretty much the same placements under him as she did under her.
But: she got 100% individualized attention and special treatment, she got better programs and better costumes, they at least tried to improve her SS, the height of her working 4s actually improved and she had a millionaire and media celebrity ready to spend any amount of money necessary on her, to push her, meaning actually him and his academy, to the top. As well as pick any fight necessary with judges and the fed to excuse her failures and justify her wins.
Under Eteri she did nothing better in the senior season with her than she did last season under Plushenko as far as I'm concerned. But there she will be one of dozens of top skaters, one of 6(!!) serious OG contenders and receive one of Daniil's 50+ programs that that poor guy has to crank out next season, while waiting in a long line for harness work or any individualized attention. Eteri has 0 special interest in her over the other 5 girls, especially not now. It will be pure survival of the fittest and simple math for that team, while Plushenko would have really pulled for her and only her
 

nussnacker

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I’m aware of this and have said something similar when Aliona went back. This is a situation that would have happened regardless of whether Sasha or Aliona returned, we were headed for a scenario like this all along. This doesn’t make it better, IMO. But my main argument is something else entirely anyway.

This season “proved“ something, which makes these transfers so noteworthy, despite Eteri having worked with all of them before (Or maybe exactly due to this). It proves that in Russian ladies singles, you cannot skate successfully without being in her team. All three ladies who sought out an individual path ultimately went back to her. You can interpret this as a success story for her team and you‘re perfectly free to do this. For me, however, it‘s a discouraging sign.

I personally think that a discipline needs more than one successful coaching team. Competition leads to growth and individuality after all and I don‘t see how it will be possible for one team to keep coaching all the increasing talent without there being a significant drop in quality both in terms of coaching and choreography.
This doesn’t prove anything about “not being able to be successful outside of Sambo”
It just proves that specifically Plushenko isn’t able to coach skaters like Sasha or Aliona *yet*. I’m sure if she switched to Raf or Mishin, the season have ended better for Sasha.
Eteri might not be perfect for Sasha, but she’s better than what Plushenko could do for her, and better than an uncertainty of working with a new coach in the Olympic season. Sasha even said that Plushenko is more nervous at competitions, I bet that didn’t help her to calm her nerves at worlds.
to be honest, I think it would be better if Sasha didn’t return. Probably she could’ve tried something else, since I don’t think Eteri’s strategy of being consistent and Sasha’s desire of being a history maker align at this point. There will probably be a lot of arguments about this again, I can’t see this as something positive for neither their team dynamics, nor for Sasha personally.

I do think Aliona is at her best with Eteri.
 

nussnacker

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For the record, I don‘t believe Eteri stole T/M. Nor do I believe Plushenko stole Aliona and Sasha. They obviously all needed a change and were offered one. It‘s up to them to accept. Do you think Anna or Kamila would have accepted an offer from another coach last season? No. So, this proves that Aliona and Sasha went on their own accords. I‘ve just never understood the “poaching/stealing“ argument. If an athlete believes they‘ll have better chances/conditions somewhere else, they‘ll leave. If not, then...not. Calling this “stealing“ just weirdly makes it look like they‘re objects or someone elses property, which I personally take an issue with as it takes away their agency. But I see I‘ll be rehashing an old discussion that I really had no intention of. Let‘s agree to disagree.
That’s the difference. I don’t think she offered them anything. I think they were desperate and asked for help.
 

Fluture

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This doesn’t prove anything about “not being able to be successful outside of Sambo”
It just proves that specifically Plushenko isn’t able to coach skaters like Sasha or Aliona *yet*. I’m sure if she switched to Raf or Mishin, the season have ended better for Sasha.
Eteri might not be perfect for Sasha, but she’s better than what Plushenko could do for her, and better than an uncertainty of working with a new coach in the Olympic season. Sasha even said that Plushenko is more nervous at competitions, I bet that didn’t help her to calm her nerves at worlds.
to be honest, I think it would be better if Sasha didn’t return. Probably she could’ve tried something else, since I don’t think Eteri’s strategy of being consistent and Sasha’s desire of being a history maker align at this point. There will probably be a lot of arguments about this again, I can’t see this as something positive for neither their team dynamics, nor for Sasha personally.

I do think Aliona is at her best with Eteri.

So, answer me this: Who else is there other than Eteri who is able to coach skaters like Aliona and Sasha? And is a realistic option, which neither Mishin nor Raf are. Mishin has Liza and it‘s very clear that he won‘t be taking in direct competitors of hers before she retires. Raf‘s in the US and ignoring the whole pandemic business, that‘s just not very financially feasible. Evgenia was able to go to Canada but she was twice the World Champ and an Olympic medalist. So. This leaves us with who, exactly? Davydov, Panova, or, god forbid, Buyanova? Yeah. That‘s what I‘m saying. There‘s a shocking lack of alternatives for a discipline as successful as Russian ladies skating has been in recent years.

I agree on Sasha and Eteri not being a good match. But she always seemed to have a bond with Dudakov, so I hope it will work out alright for her. No idea about Aliona yet but she seems to be happier so far, let‘s hope it stays that way.
 

nussnacker

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So, answer me this: Who else is there other than Eteri who is able to coach skaters like Aliona and Sasha? And is a realistic option, which neither Mishin nor Raf are. Mishin has Liza and has made it very clear that he won‘t be taking in direct competitors of hers before she retires. Raf‘s in the US and ignoring the whole pandemic business, that‘s just not very financially feasible. Evgenia was able to go to Canada but she was twice the World Champ and an Olympic medalist. So. This leaves us with who, exactly? Davydov, Panova, or, god forbid, Buyanova? Yeah. That‘s what I‘m saying. There‘s a shocking lack of alternatives for a discipline as successful as Russian ladies skating has been in recent years.

I agree on Sasha and Eteri not being a good match. No idea about Aliona yet but she seems to be happier so far, let‘s hope it stays that way.
Mishin is capable of that. He might not take direct competition for Liza next season, but surely the world of figure skating doesn’t revolve around next season, there are many more seasons to come. He already has a new girl with a 3A btw, so a girl “to push Liza out” (as people like to say) is already growing up.
Panova and Davydov have multiple girls jumping 3A and quads. Samodelkina might have beat Akatieva this season, and as Davydov said, the only unfortunate thing is that despite being very prepared for Junior Nationals she got too nervous and didn’t deliver. I’m sure she’ll learn to deal with that and give Akatieva a good fight. Samodelkina was also very likely to beat Daria and Maiia this season, if it was a normal season.

I didn’t say Eteri and Sasha weren’t a good match. I think they’re good match. I said it’s “not an ideal” match. Specifically because of their goals not aligning recently. There’s a difference.
 
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