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2021-22 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

Arbitrary

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What does this even mean??
Trying to explain.
There is a common consensus Tutberidze wasn't too happy with two renegades. Now both were allowed to return and sleep at the entry steps.
One found herself among Six of Elite and another is spared. Tutberidze could decide this or that but totally abstented. She didn't support the first returned and didn't kill the career of the second one.
Smartest move it looks like.
 

spicymacaron

Rinkside
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Mar 30, 2021
What.
First of all, I really doubt that Eteri has that much influence in the first place.
And even if she did, why would she ruin her reputation for being unbiased to sabotage her own students? Her salary also depends on her students' success so she would want all of them to have every chance of winning.
 

Skater Boy

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So does this mean Evgenia is really finished?| Was she seriously going to compete?| Does this mean no Grand Prix spots for her? how is her health? What does she have for ammunition? was Alina really coming bck?
 

LiamForeman

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So does this mean Evgenia is really finished?| Was she seriously going to compete?| Does this mean no Grand Prix spots for her? how is her health? What does she have for ammunition? was Alina really coming bck?
Alina and Med were never coming back. Certainly Alina. But Med really had no hope for a comeback. I'm sure her Eteri technique could still make her champion of the US or Canada in her 20s, but in Russia she's not even a top 10 skater anymore. I'm glad she finally came to her senses.
 

Amei

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So does this mean Evgenia is really finished?| Was she seriously going to compete?| Does this mean no Grand Prix spots for her? how is her health? What does she have for ammunition? was Alina really coming bck?

In regards to the National team and Evgenia not being named?

Being named to the national team (or not in this case) is really only about funding based on what I know, she's still eligible to compete, I'm pretty sure her world ranking makes her eligible for at least 1 GP event. I'm not sure about her health but based on her own post (link below) she's still going to be training.



What does she have for ammunition?

Umm, what do this question mean "ammunition" - like her arsenal of jumps or are you talking some nefarious information on the Fed to make them add her to the team or give her GP spots?

was Alina really coming bck?

Similar to Medvedeva - not being on the National team is pretty much all to do with funding, basically if she wants to continue training with Eteri and team at Sambo its now on her nickel ruble. As of right now based on what's been posted in the RLT's she's technically just on her 'break' from competition. But she's still capable of training and striving for competitions if that's the route she takes
 

Jontor

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In regards to the National team and Evgenia not being named?

Being named to the national team (or not in this case) is really only about funding based on what I know, she's still eligible to compete, I'm pretty sure her world ranking makes her eligible for at least 1 GP event. I'm not sure about her health but based on her own post (link below) she's still going to be training.





Umm, what do this question mean "ammunition" - like her arsenal of jumps or are you talking some nefarious information on the Fed to make them add her to the team or give her GP spots?



Similar to Medvedeva - not being on the National team is pretty much all to do with funding, basically if she wants to continue training with Eteri and team at Sambo its now on her nickel ruble. As of right now based on what's been posted in the RLT's she's technically just on her 'break' from competition. But she's still capable of training and striving for competitions if that's the route she takes
Yes, being on the national team doesn't mean much really when it comes to GPs and other competitions.

I feel like I am repeating myself, Gubanova was on the reserve team two years ago and didn't get any GP assignments anyway.

GPs are all about rankings in the SB and WS lists. Top 24 are "guaranteed" a spot (not in Gubanova's case though, there were just too many Russian ladies two years ago). But Medvedeva, and Zagitova, are both still ranked very high on the WS list so they are certainly going to get GPs if they so desire.

It will be interesting though to see how the ISU handle this "ranking system" this year. The SB list we got from last season is all wonky (only contains three Russian ladies), and the WS list is bonkers as well. How will they choose GP assignments? THAT is the big question for now.

My bet for the nine Russian ladies that will get two GPs is:
Shcherbakova, Trusova, Kostornaia, Usacheva, Valieva, Khromykh, Tuktamysheva, Medvedeva.
That's eight. And finally I think it will be between Samodurova/Guliakova/Nugumanova for the last two spots. One of them will get two or they might split it so two of them gets one spot.
 

Arbitrary

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I for one am always suspicious about "common consensuses" regarding other people's motivations.
At least that was clearly readable here, at FSO and the whole Russian sport press for the last few months.
There was not a single message about Tutberidze being happy. Or neutral.

Regarding her influence. Let say, the Tutberidze-less FS means 2/3 of Russian Ladies medals becoming non-Russian. Such a neglectable influence...
 
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sinus

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But Medvedeva, and Zagitova, are both still ranked very high on the WS list
Both of them won't be ranked very high at end of the season when new WS list will be published. Medvedeva will be 34th and Zagitova will be 36th.
 

Amei

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Both of them won't be ranked very high at end of the season when new WS list will be published. Medvedeva will be 34th and Zagitova will be 36th.

It is, but the list will be updated for the 2021 - 2022 season (dropping 2018 - 2019 season, and moving the next two seasons down one, 2019 - 2020 into the 70%) before the GP assignments are posted.

Well given the lack of international season for 2020 - 2021 the ISU likely needs to determine how to address the rankings,
 

Gia_Sesshoumaru

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Well given the lack of international season for 2020 - 2021 the ISU likely needs to determine how to address the rankings,

I agree. I assume that they will use 2019 - 2020 season's best score's in addition to the scores available from the 2020-2021 season.
 

nussnacker

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Both of them won't be ranked very high at end of the season when new WS list will be published. Medvedeva will be 34th and Zagitova will be 36th.
However, also important to note that rankings won’t matter if Alina or Evgenia decide to compete. As far as I remember, there’s a “comeback” rule, which guarantees GPs to former world champions and medalists.
 

Smith16

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Alina is going for a second degree. This summer Alina Zagitova is entering Russian State University of Physical Education, Sport, Youth and Tourism (SCOLIPE), she will be getting a second degree in parallel with the first one she's getting in RANEPA (Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration) where she's studying in the Journalism department.

 

Minz

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However, also important to note that rankings won’t matter if Alina or Evgenia decide to compete. As far as I remember, there’s a “comeback” rule, which guarantees GPs to former world champions and medalists.
Say what now?! So basicaly, if idk, Dick Button say, wanted to compete at a GP, he would be guaranteed a spot? o_O
 

Amei

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Say what now?! So basicaly, if idk, Dick Button say, wanted to compete at a GP, he would be guaranteed a spot? o_O

Pretty much, remember Gracie at Rostelecom cup being nowhere close to ready to compete at the GP level? I said then the past champion rule needed to be modified.
 

Minz

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Ok so, here is the ”comeback” rule, copied and pasted straight from the 2019-2020 ISU Handbook. Don’t know if Alina or Evgenia would fit the criteria though...
(And no, Dick Button would not be guaranteed a GP spot if he wanted🙃)

c) “Come-Back” Skaters/Couples: Skaters/Couples who were previously seeded (placed 1 to 6 within the past 10 years at a ISU World Figure Skating Championships) and subsequently did not participate in one or more competitive seasons will be given priority consideration to re-enter the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating for selection of up to 2 assignments if they commit in writing to participating in two ISU Grand Prix ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating and ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating Final 2019/20 of Figure Skating events and if such return is announced and confirmed by the date of the annual Selection Meeting. Such so called “Come Back Skaters/Couples” will not substitute any of the Seeded Skaters/Couples, mentioned under a). “Come Back Skaters/Couples” must not fulfil the requirements of the minimum Grand Prix score and would be considered for selection as an Organizing ISU Member Choice. A come back under this clause is allowed only once in their competitive career for any Skater/Couple.
d) If a Seeded or “Come-Back” Skater/Couple withdraws from an assigned event, even for medical reasons, that Skater/couple will not be assigned to another event.
 
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