- Jan 11, 2008
The Russian Women's thread for the 2021-22 figure skating season.
|Skate America||Skate Canada|
note: event cancelled, alternative solution under consideration
|NHK Trophy||Internationaux de France||Rostelecom Cup|
|22-24 October 2021, Las Vegas||29-31 October 2021, Vancouver||5-7 November 2021, Chongqing||12-14 November 2021, TBD||19-21 November 2021, Grenoble||26-28 November 2021, Sochi|
|Kseniia Sinitsina||Alena Kostornaia||Maiia Khromykh||Alexandra Trusova||Alena Kostornaia||Elizavteta Tuktamysheva|
|Alexandra Trusova||Elizaveta Tuktamysheva||Sofia Samodurova||Daria Usacheva||Anna Shcherbakova||Kamila Valieva|
|Daria Usacheva||Kamila Valieva||Anna Shcherbakova||-||Kseniia Sinitsyna||TBA|
|JGP France I*||JGP France II*||JGP Slovakia||JGP Russia||JGP Slovenia||JGP Poland||JGP Austria|
|18-21 August 2021, Courchevel||25-28 August 2021, Edmonton||1-4 September 2021, Košice||15-18 September 2021, Krasnoyarsk||22-25 September 2021, Ljubljana||29 Sept - 2 Oct 2021, Gdansk||6-9 October 2021, Linz|
|Sofia Muravieva||Sofia Akatieva|
|Adeliya Petrosian||Elizaveta Kulikova|
|-||-||Maria Zakharova||Daria Sadkova|
|-||-||Veronika Zhilina||Sofia Samodelkina|
|ISU GP of Figure Skating Final - Seniors||ISU GP of Figure Skating Final - Juniors|
|9-12 December 2021, Osaka||9-12 December 2021, Osaka|
Eteri is the true indestructable iron lady.What what what? OMG, for real? LOL.
You would think that they would at least hire another choreographer, or at least let someone like Averbukh do some of their choreosEteri is the true indestructable iron lady.
The other thing is even I can hardly imagine how the team will be able to manage six top senior ladies at once who all have at least a decent chance for the olympics, plus of course Alina and Evgenia plus Lilbet if she's healthy plus Morisi plus the juniors.
It would be nice and he still has that chance. But he needs to raise his own skaters, not steal them from the others. We'll see how it will go with the skaters that he's raising... he still has Rozanov and Yulia, doesn't he? Maybe not for logn, we'll see...Plushenko had all the chances to create a well-run alternative to Eteri‘s team and to - finally! - create some competition.
It would be nice and he still has that chance. But he needs to raise his own skaters, not steal them from the others. We'll see how it will go with the skaters that he's raising... he still has Rozanov and Yulia, doesn't he? Maybe not for logn, we'll see...
You’re saying this as if Eteri suddenly got all the skaters she never worked with. You do realize they all have been working with her for years, right?Has this ever worked out that ONE coaching team has coached all the top talents?
You’re saying this as if Eteri suddenly got all the skaters she never worked with. You do realize they all have been working with her for years, right?
Eteri’s group didn’t really change this year for seniors, the only new skaters she got were 3(?) novices (Sadkova, Dvoyeglazova, Kostyleva) and Evgenia (if we count her)
The skaters in her senior group otherwise remained the same, only Aliona and Sasha left, and now both are back.
It’s just Kamila, Daria and Maiia weren’t as strong a year ago, weren’t really considered to be major threats, now they improved a lot.
Are you sure this is comparable?her team just “stole“ T/M
Are you sure this is comparable?
T/M were basically rejected by everyone.
Mozer didn’t want to work with them, calling them an “uninteresting project”. Trankov said he can’t (and doesn’t want to) be their main coach, and that he isn’t fit for this job, but this again came to be his responsibility when T/M couldn’t work with Zoueva the whole season. I mean you could say she “stole” them from Zoueva, but they haven’t worked with her for a year. It couldn’t go on like this, I think it’s obvious. Going into Olympic season, they had too much uncertainty with their coaching, going between US and Russia would barely be an option. They needed someone to coach them in Russia, and as literally no one wanted to coach them here and Trankov doesn’t have a rink, I bet T/M are very thankful to have at least some certainty in their lives. Plus, they asked Eteri for help. I think they wanted someone to take responsibility for them, and organize the whole process of preparing for Olympics. It may very well backfire, but T/M spent a whole Olympic quad with no semblance of organized training, it was a chaos from start to finish.
This doesn’t prove anything about “not being able to be successful outside of Sambo”I’m aware of this and have said something similar when Aliona went back. This is a situation that would have happened regardless of whether Sasha or Aliona returned, we were headed for a scenario like this all along. This doesn’t make it better, IMO. But my main argument is something else entirely anyway.
This season “proved“ something, which makes these transfers so noteworthy, despite Eteri having worked with all of them before (Or maybe exactly due to this). It proves that in Russian ladies singles, you cannot skate successfully without being in her team. All three ladies who sought out an individual path ultimately went back to her. You can interpret this as a success story for her team and you‘re perfectly free to do this. For me, however, it‘s a discouraging sign.
I personally think that a discipline needs more than one successful coaching team. Competition leads to growth and individuality after all and I don‘t see how it will be possible for one team to keep coaching all the increasing talent without there being a significant drop in quality both in terms of coaching and choreography.
That’s the difference. I don’t think she offered them anything. I think they were desperate and asked for help.For the record, I don‘t believe Eteri stole T/M. Nor do I believe Plushenko stole Aliona and Sasha. They obviously all needed a change and were offered one. It‘s up to them to accept. Do you think Anna or Kamila would have accepted an offer from another coach last season? No. So, this proves that Aliona and Sasha went on their own accords. I‘ve just never understood the “poaching/stealing“ argument. If an athlete believes they‘ll have better chances/conditions somewhere else, they‘ll leave. If not, then...not. Calling this “stealing“ just weirdly makes it look like they‘re objects or someone elses property, which I personally take an issue with as it takes away their agency. But I see I‘ll be rehashing an old discussion that I really had no intention of. Let‘s agree to disagree.
This doesn’t prove anything about “not being able to be successful outside of Sambo”
It just proves that specifically Plushenko isn’t able to coach skaters like Sasha or Aliona *yet*. I’m sure if she switched to Raf or Mishin, the season have ended better for Sasha.
Eteri might not be perfect for Sasha, but she’s better than what Plushenko could do for her, and better than an uncertainty of working with a new coach in the Olympic season. Sasha even said that Plushenko is more nervous at competitions, I bet that didn’t help her to calm her nerves at worlds.
to be honest, I think it would be better if Sasha didn’t return. Probably she could’ve tried something else, since I don’t think Eteri’s strategy of being consistent and Sasha’s desire of being a history maker align at this point. There will probably be a lot of arguments about this again, I can’t see this as something positive for neither their team dynamics, nor for Sasha personally.
I do think Aliona is at her best with Eteri.